Military situation in the sino-indian border

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    This thread is in danger of being closed.
     
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    I'm afraid so too. Maybe it needs to be closed a while for everybody to cool off.
     
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    Ambassador Bhadrakumar wrote that India will retreat so this thread wont be needed further.
     
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    Those ships you mentioned were there for exercices (military posturing). They were not permanently stationed there. As for the forces already there, they are the normal forces (no sign of anything unusual being prepared). No, they are not ready to invade NK, not because of the chinese army could do (probably wouldnt do anything if NK attacked first) but because of what the NK artillery could do to seul, not to mention possible NK nuclear weapons. My mother tongue is not english, my english is imperfect.

    I think that...

     
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    Yeah, i think that these rumours came from this report from dunya news (pakistani news outlet)

    http://dunyanews.tv/en/World/397393-Chinese-cross-border-rocket-attack-kills-158-India

    the indians have rebuked this news

    http://www.newindianexpress.com/nat...i-media-report-of-soldier-deaths-1630074.html
     
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    Wow. I'm actually surprised that you replied. I thought you'd be too embarrassed at being so badly wrong (all the time). You thought nothing had happened on the Korean peninsula and I show you that Trump sent 3 aircraft carriers and nuclear subs there at the same time and instead of admitting that you goofed, you try to play word games with "permanently stationed" vs. "there indefinitely as long as we want"? LOL When's the last time an armada like that was sent to Korea? Answer that and you'll know nature and gravity of the situation.

    North Korean artillery always had Seoul in its sights; neither THAAD nor aircraft carriers are a counter to artillery and neither change the balance of power which was always stacked sky high against NK. NK would never fire a nuke at SK or the US because that would be its end; it knows that.

    If it weren't for China's protection, there would be no North Korea and that starts from 1950 and extends to today (just look at what the US does to small countries like Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya that aren't protected by either Russia or China). Bottom line is you can try to live in your ignorance that the US would not strike North Korea even if given the chance and that they're sending 3 carriers and nuclear subs for routine exercises but your statement is against the words of American generals and commanders so you'll have to understand why nobody here believes you.
     
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    The last time is irrelevant. Just because it had 3 carriers doesnt take out the fact that it was a military exercice for military posturing. To send a message. Nations do that all the time, US, russia china, etc. Remember that trump ordered this months ago, right after being in office, when it knew little about the complexities of the korean peninsula. By now, he knows that there is no viable military option.
    Yes, NK artillery is aimed at seoul, thats the main insurance against US/SK attack. IMO the possibility of NK firing a nuke at US/SK only exists if it is attacked with nukes or even a regime changing invasion. The china of today is totally diferent from the china of 1950, i cant even begin to mention the amount of diference. There are serious doubts that china would help NK if it attacks first, and there are doubts that it would help at all even if NK is attacked first. China has just way too much to lose.
    I dont even know what the US generals and commanders say. They may say a lot but in the US, the US government has all the power to command the military, what matters is what it says and more important, the decisions it takes, not what the generals and commanders say.
    "Nobody" ? says you. I didnt knew that you talk for all the people in this forum, specially those that dont post in this thread.
     
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    War is not likely to be happen soon, because China has been surprisingly low key about this internationally. I think China is trying to solve this diplomatically, but if negotiation with India finally breaks down, expect China to start go on a PR campaign in UN and various international forums to isolate India.

    I know India is treated much more favorably than China with West, but even Indian cannot spin this one to their advantage, India is clearly at fault here, no nation has the right to invade another nation on behalf of the 3rd nation.

    All China has to do is by asking US: Do you find India's action acceptable? If US do not take position or take on India's side, then China just say then I guess it gives me the right to attack California, because all I need to do is to sign friendship treaty with Mexico who have border dispute with you. Also China can tell US that if you want to uphold the international post WW2 order created by you, you need to take a position on basic sovereignty issues, if not, then the world order that you helped to build is worth its paper in shit, that means we China can do whatever we want in South East and Taiwan, after all, you are not willing to reign in your own ally who is walking all over the law that you created only for the sake of countering me, that means you are also trashing your own world order, that means I can do the same etc.... Not even Trump is stupid enough to dismiss this.

    Anyway, if negotiation break down, expect China to start massive troops development in Tibet and Xinjing while deploying navy into Indian ocean, then expect China to go on PR offense to isolate India, after that, war will began.

    We are no where near that point yet, I think we are at best 15% progress. I do see China is saying their patience is wearing thin with India, and I'm seeing more and more Chinese media start to talk about this to wiping up support within China.
     
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    I think this will be solved by talk, but after this is all over, I said it before and I will say again, China cannot let an unified independent India to exist, because it will constantly causing trouble for China and its neighbors.

    There are over 30 armed separatist groups inside India at any one time, China need to secretly support each and everyone of armed separatist moments inside to cause trouble, at best India break apart into half dozen nations who fight among themselves so they won't have energy to cause trouble for China, at worst India is so pre-occupied with its internal insurgency that it won't have energy to cause trouble for China.

    Because if China don't do this and let India recover, you bet your ass that when India is strong they will do this again and again and again.
     
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