Military export bans to China

Blackstone

Brigadier
MREs and outdated military manuals? Are you kidding me??? MREs…, give me a break!

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Shoppers in China can easily purchase export embargoed US military equipment on e-commerce platforms.

Multiple embargoed items, including infrared identification chips used by US military special ops, as well as sniper scopes, infantry accessories and internal training materials, are offered for sale by at least a dozen shops on Taobao, China's largest online shopping site, owned by Nasdaq-listed Alibaba Group.

Shop owners seemed to be aware of the items' sensitivity, with many highlighting the embargo restrictions as a selling point.

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Photos of some items' packaging showed the phrase: "US government property. Commercial release is unlawful."

On the item page for US military training materials, a shop named "Enemies' Equipment Club" said: "All [items] are brand new ... the US restricts the export of these items. Obtaining them was difficult."

"If you can understand it, the benefit is unlimited," the description continued.

The owner of the shop, based in Sichuan prvoince, as well as the owners of other shops offering embargoed equipment, declined to reveal how they acquired the items.

It was not possible to independently confirm whether the items were genuine.

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More than half the stock of the training materials was sold out. At least eight customers had purchased the package, made up of five books including the Special Forces Hand Book published by the US Army Headquarters and Ranger Hand Book by the US Army Infantry School.

Customer feedback was positive. All buyers gave an “excellent” rank on product quality and authenticity.

“I would not give an explanation in public, [but] it is a must have for fundamental trainings,” one anonymous customer wrote in a review.

The training material package was priced 170 yuan, but there were more expensive items.

In the same shop, a Northrop Grumman M24 Binocular was being sold for 1,750 yuan, while an Aqua-Lung survival egress air device used by United States Navy SEALs was priced at 1,860 yuan.

All US military items sold on Taobao did not involve sensitive advanced technology, nor, except for US Army knives, were they potentially dangerous.

Many of the items were of the type usually sought after by military fans, such as uniforms, canned food, vest and medical kits.

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The US has long imposed strict export embargoes on military related items to China.

The US International Traffic in Arms Regulation (ITAR) lists China, along with 25 other nations including Syria, Sudan, North Korea and Iran, on the munition export embargo list.

Non-offensive items such as binoculars and training materials can be purchased by civilians at shops in the US without registration, but their export to China is restricted.

The ITAR bans all items on the US munition list from being exported to “enemy states”.

China and businesses in the US have long criticized the embargo policy as too restrictive and outdated. Some items on the banned list, such as uniforms, are actually produced in China.

One Chinese computer scientist, speaking anonymously, said the US ban on Intel chips for the construction of super computers in China was a good example of the policy’s “foolishness”.

“Search on Taobao for Intel Xeon chips and you will find thousands of shops with attractive prices,” the scientist said.

“But Chinese military won’t use Taobao. They are developing and deploying their own chips.”

Alibaba and Taobao did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

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AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
The people behind these laws are pretty dumb and arrogant or they're playing to the dumb and arrogant so they get voted for another term because they're acting against China which they can promote. It's no different from the recent ban on computer processors, not to all of China but just four entities within China. That's just inconsequential. Anyone remember how Congress stopped the sale of some steel mill and its technology to China because then China could build a tower from the ground that reached out of the Earth's atmosphere thus give China a foothold into space. Yes, that was the excuse to kill the sale. So is it surprising they would ban MRE sales to China? One thing that annoys me is the level food snobbery of some Chinese. But I'm sure those in Congress than feel the need to ban MREs to China are ignorant to that and think US MREs are like ambrosia to the Chinese and must be deeply kept away from them.
 
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TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
^^^ You sure it's not outsourced manufacturing? :p
It's called the Berry Amendment. Any and All US Military issued equipment must by law be made in the USA unless no supplier is available and then only from trusted Allies. IE Made in China on the back of any US military kit would be a NO NO and congress would throw a Conniption.

For MRE's and training manuals the most common form of Illicit Export is incidental sale Some one gets a Real military product like MRE'es from a friend or at a PEX and then passes it on and it eventually ends up on Ebay. Or passed from one person to another via luggage or mail and it ends up in surprising places.
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MRE's are Officially not really supposed to be Sold to civilians Period. They are officially Government property and there for not for resale. Yet they are the most common form of leakage of government property and really no one is going to get slapped for it unless your the supplier and they were meant for troops deployed otherwise it's just back stock that would be taking up room in a Warehouse and often by the time it leaks to the civilians it's usually pretty close to the expiration date.
basically the Army doesn't even worry about them. a good camping story can get you MRE's hell I just ordered Some on Line well posting this.

Training manuals teach the basics of doctrine and can be dangerous as they can allow enemy Intel into mindset and operations. but it's also low pole stuff

Uniforms and Vests Also tend to be second runs and commercial stock.
Other things are more worry some like Actual issue night vision and Electronics as those are more sensitive. MRE's okay, Manuals I could get at the base PEX fine. knock off uniforms ah... not good but not end of the world. Actual serial numbered US GOVERNMENT PROPERTY. NO go, The chips and sensitive parts again No go.
 

SamuraiBlue

Captain
Did the US military ever used Russian and/or PRC weather satellite data before?
Those satellites are on a very high stationary orbit and basically 3~5 satellites could cover the entire planet so what is the fuss about?
 
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