On contrary Saudi got nervous from China and Russian oil deal.
Saudi also wish it could freed from US one day.
Saudi and Iran same page on Israel.
So it's very complicated relationship
It won't be as simple as joining others just to spite China
Looks like China has no choice but form military alliance with iran
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Saudi also wish it could freed from US one day.
Saudi and Iran same page on Israel.
So it's very complicated relationship
It won't be as simple as joining others just to spite China
Think about it, to free up Oil Dollar tie up means to free up military hegemony in middle East
To free up military hegemony in middle East, and one scenario is every one there is nuke armed. MAD, no one will do anything and no one can force others to do anything.
I believe the world will be safer and peaceful that way.
So for the sake of middle east peace...
To free up military hegemony in middle East, and one scenario is every one there is nuke armed. MAD, no one will do anything and no one can force others to do anything.
I believe the world will be safer and peaceful that way.
So for the sake of middle east peace...
Yes, but the Russians tend to overcharge the Chinese in oil and gas, despite the relatively short distance between the two countries. Of course, China could buy cheap oil from Venezuela and Iran, but again, the world order is in the hands of the U.S. Britain, Israel, etc. and China not yet materially powerful enough to build its own blog of nation states to challenge this world order. However, we never know. Maybe if Trump's decoupling somehow (which I am skeptical here) empowers China's domestic high-tech and heavy sectors by forcing the latter to successfully achieve self-sufficiency, China could really become an alternative geopolitical pole in teaming all the nation states/non-state actors marginalized by the U.S.-led world order. Then we will have a new Cold War.
Read my thread above, for the sake of middle East peace.. MAD.
I thought Korean peninsula is peaceful despite the hot air
Last meeting was at luxury 5 star hotel at Hanoi enjoying the good food.
据美国媒体报道，就在本月20号，东方大国两艘十万吨巨轮突现波斯湾，并且是在两艘军舰的护航之下抵达伊朗，不顾美国发出的石油禁令，从容不迫的装运石油。
有意思的一幕出现了，在东方大国油轮和军舰抵达波斯湾之时，早已经获知消息的美国军舰硬是没有发动拦截检查。
就在美军的眼皮子底下，眼睁睁的看着东方大国的油轮在军舰的霸气护航之下，从眼皮子底下拉走了几十万吨石油，从容不迫的通过了霍尔姆斯海峡。
It says two giant tankers from Asian country escorted by two warships out of Iran.
有意思的一幕出现了，在东方大国油轮和军舰抵达波斯湾之时，早已经获知消息的美国军舰硬是没有发动拦截检查。
就在美军的眼皮子底下，眼睁睁的看着东方大国的油轮在军舰的霸气护航之下，从眼皮子底下拉走了几十万吨石油，从容不迫的通过了霍尔姆斯海峡。
It says two giant tankers from Asian country escorted by two warships out of Iran.
Iran just give out an mandate, all oil transaction will be in yuan. Wo!
That's radical.
Once got yuan, Iran will buy alot of Chinese goods to survive and functioning as a country.
This is more than military alliance.
It almost becomes a part of China!
Israel and Saudi are not even close to that level. What's happening in Iran may even exceed Pakistan
That's radical.
Once got yuan, Iran will buy alot of Chinese goods to survive and functioning as a country.
This is more than military alliance.
It almost becomes a part of China!
Israel and Saudi are not even close to that level. What's happening in Iran may even exceed Pakistan
I have heard several rumors in the past about Chinese designed or Chinese assisted designs of conventional weapons in Iran. I would not be surprised if there were connections. But I also think a lot of people underestimate Iran's native R&D capacity. Iran has ~82 million people. i.e. around the same population as Germany or Turkey. I have met Iranian born scientists several times (mostly expats all in the civilian sector). They were quite well educated. So I would not be surprised either if a lot of it was indeed researched locally.
If Iran had unimpeded access to the global trade network I am fairly certain they would be about as advanced technologically as one of the main European countries.
Iran is not Saudi Arabia. Their culture is different, heck, they aren't even Arabs.
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China will support Iran, and its hands will be clean and dry while doing this job.
If there were ever any direct military confrontation btwn the US and Iran, Russia would likely be the one who directly supports Iran militarily, probably with secret deployment of its anti-air missile operators, just like what China did during the Vietnam war, while China would support Iran in indirect ways. (Again, just like what the USSR did during the Vietnam war.) It would be so because Russia and Iran are neighbors, technically speaking.
There is no need for China to form a military alliance with Iran, or with any other country that is bordered with either Russia or China for this matter. There is a concrete security mechanism to address this issue. Iran is an Observer country of the SCO. Therefore, the SCO is responsible for Iran's security in some way.
Many people may dispute this argument and are likely to point out that the SCO is not a military alliance in nature, as indicated in its Constitution. But these ppl should not forget two relevant facts. First, the SCO has only two true operators, China and Russia. Second, China and Russia have a bilateral cooperation treaty that covers many security issues concerning either country, regional stability and world peace. （中华人民共和国和俄罗斯联邦睦邻友好合作条约 ）Therefore, either China or Russia has a national security issue resulting from outside military forces, it automatically becomes an security issue threatening both China and Russia, and the two countries will have to respond cooperatively by the said bilateral treaty. Since Iran is Russia's neighbor, any US military action directly against Iran can be considered a threat to Russia's security and stability, thus a threat to China's security and stability according to the said Sino-Russia treaty. Since China and Russia are the real operators of the SCO, an strong SCO response to support Iran against the US, proposed by Russia and China, will be a done deal, regardless what the SCO Constitution says about itself and whether all SCO member countries will go with China and Russia.
Even if Iran were not an SCO Observer, the same mechanism could still be activated as long as China and Russia decide to punish the US. The same mechanism can be activated in security issues resulting from N.K., Thailand, Myanmar, or Vietnam,...etc. (Although N.K. is a litter bit different as it has a bilateral treaty with China.) Just remember, the SCO can be re-shaped by the Sino-Russia bilateral treaty and any security issue in the SCO region may potentially prompt China and Russia to respond collectively.