Littoral Combat Ships (LCS)

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USN need LCS fleet growth for based 4 LCS in Singapore, and also more to Bahrain.
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Saudis Detail Eastern Fleet for US
The long-sought-after deal to upgrade and replace Saudi Arabia's Eastern Fleet has taken a major step forward, sources said, with the January delivery of a letter of request (LoR) to the US detailing Saudi wishes.

Rear Adm. Jim Shannon, head of the US Navy International Program Office, reportedly obtained the LoR during a visit to Saudi Arabia. The letter marks a major step forward after years of talks and negotiations with the Saudis, who have also strongly considered French proposals to replace their fleet.

The French hold the preponderance of contracts in support of the Saudi's western, or Red Sea, fleet. France and the US are considered the primary contenders for the Eastern Fleet contract, said to be worth as much as $16 billion or higher.

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Several sources said the Saudi LoR did not list specific ship designs, but rather gave general guidelines. Among the highlights are:

• Four 3,500-ton frigate-like warships, armed with vertical launch systems (VLS), capable of anti-air warfare and speeds of 35 knots

• 12 1,150-ton corvette-like warships

• 24 or so smaller patrol craft

The deal would include MH-60R helicopters to operate from the frigates, along with support and training.

One condition is the shipbuilder would be the prime contractor.

The US Navy is reportedly working to define details of the LoR, including what air radar the Saudis want to fulfill the anti-air requirement. Sources said that while no specific radar is listed in the LoR, the only system that fits the requirement is the SPY-1F lightweight Aegis system from Lockheed Martin.

SPY-1F is fitted only to Norway's Fridtjof Nansen-class frigates. All other Aegis warships — US cruisers and destroyers, foreign ships including those from Spain, Korea, Japan and Australia — carry the heavier SPY-1D antenna. While there is a high degree of commonality between the two versions, the 1F features smaller antennas and less power, resulting in shorter range.

Lockheed Martin and Austal USA have offered versions of their littoral combat ships fitted with VLS and phased-array radars, including the SPY-1F, both for export and most recently for the US Navy's Small Surface Combatant (SSC) competition conducted in 2014. In the end, the US Navy chose to forego Aegis and VLS on its SSCs, now designated as frigates.

Other than the LCS/SSC/frigate designs, there are no other US projects that would fit the 3,500-ton parameters of the Saudi frigate.

Lockheed Martin in particular has doggedly been holding talks with the Saudis for years about adapting its LCS design to Saudi needs, probably a 118-meter version with a hull similar to the LCS 1 Freedom-class now under construction.

The LoR was transmitted to the US shortly before the Jan. 23 death of the Saudi monarch, King Abdullah. His successor, King Salman, however, was the defense minister at the time of the LoR's transmission, and sources here said the new regime continues to favor the Eastern Fleet plan.

It is not clear from the LoR where the ships are expected to be built, although the frigates would likely be built in the US.

The only other significant US design built in recent years for a foreign customer is the 500-ton Ambassador Mark III class of missile corvettes recently completed for Eqypt. Those four ships, intended to defend the Suez Canal, were built by VT Halter Marine in Pascagoula, Mississippi, but their details don't seem to fit the Saudi LoR.
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Despite its shorcomings...which I believe will be somewhat addressed (but not alleviated) with the newer weapons fit developed for the SSC and to be added to the LCS, the LCS program continues to move forward.

This story is about the laying of the keel for the 12th LCS. LCS-12 will be the sixth Independence Class variant. The keel for the 6th Freedom Class variant has already been laid:

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Montgomery (LCS 8) rolls out of Austal's Bay 4 (0805) (2) 7 Aug - photo.jpg

Naval Today said:
On February 18, 2015, Austal and the US Navy held a keel-laying ceremony for the future USS Omaha (LCS 12) under the 10-ship, $3.5 billion block buy contract awarded to Austal as prime contractor by the Navy in 2010.

Captain Tom Anderson, Littoral Combat Ship Program Manager, authenticated the keel.

A traditional keel-laying ceremony marks the first significant milestone in the construction of the ship. Due to Austal’s modular approach to ship manufacturing, all 37 modules used to form this 127-meter (419-foot) aluminum trimaran are already being fabricated. For Austal, keel-laying marks the beginning of final assembly. Thirty-two modules have been moved from Austal’s Module Manufacturing Facility (MMF) and erected in the final assembly bay in their pre-launch position. The remaining five modules will follow over the coming months.

Craig Perciavalle, Austal USA President, said:

Over 85 percent of Omaha’s modules are already erected, a testament to the hard work and dedication of the most talented shipbuilding professionals in the country. Omaha will be a formidable war ship with the speed, volume and flexibility to not only meet the needs of the Navy today, but adapt to ever-changing needs of the future.

Captain Anderson was assisted at the ceremony by Leo Boles. Mr. Boles is an “A” Class welder and has been part of the Austal team for almost 10 years.

The LCS program is in full swing at Austal USA with two ships delivered and six ships currently under construction. Jackson (LCS 6) and Montgomery (LCS 8) are both preparing for trials. Gabrielle Giffords (LCS 10) is being assembled in preparation for launch this week. Modules for Manchester (LCS 14) and Tulsa (LCS 16) are under construction in the Module Manufacturing Facility.
 
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I know the Huitfeldts displace more than 6000 tons, but since new USN LCS will become FFG ...
What the U.S. Navy Could Learn from Danish Frigate Design
As the U.S. Navy’s requirements and engineering communities look at upcoming ship classes and attempt to build in flexibility, they first need to decide what it means to be a “flexible ship” and how much to prioritize that flexibility, one admiral said.

During a panel at the American Society of Naval Engineers’ ASNE Day 2015, Rear Adm. Bryant Fuller, chief engineer for Naval Sea Systems Command (NAVSEA), said it is important to decide what flexibility means to each program early on, and how much of it is needed – is there a core capability that ship class revolves around, or should it strive for ultimate flexibility, like the Danish Navy’s StanFlex system and its Iver Huitfeldt-class frigate?

Several panelists compared American ships to the Danish frigates, including panel moderator retired Vice Adm. Paul Sullivan. He said he had the chance to see the ships up close last fall and was impressed.

The Danish navy took its Absalon-class support ship hull design and reconfigured it to include a 76mm gun. Both the support ship and the frigate subscribe to the Danish navy’s StanFlex modular mission payload system, which Sullivan said allowed the navy to put legacy weapons systems on the Iver Huitfeldt-class instead of having to develop new systems right away, like the Navy did with the Littoral Combat Ship.

“The StanFlex buzz was you could put the new gun in and 24 hours later you’re ready to go to sea,” he added.

This ultra-flexible system may not sound like it would be relevant to some American ship classes, such as cruisers and destroyers, but Capt. Thomas Halvorson, deputy director of the Navy’s surface warfare directorate for Ballistic Missile Defense, Aegis and Destroyers, said there were still lessons to be drawn for future surface combatants.

Halvorson said the Aegis Baseline 9 upgrade effort had been a great accomplishment for the Navy’s cruiser fleet, but it was also a work-intensive accomplishment. A more flexible ship design could allow the Navy to upgrade the computers on a future surface combatant more routinely, rather than having to wait for a massive midlife upgrade.

“One of the other ideas I heard [the Danes] talk about, Adm. Sullivan, was they can change out the computer program completely in 90 days,” Halvorson said. “We all have a little bit of a part to play in the two-year upgrade that involves ripping out pieces massive pieces of ship infrastructure to change out every server in the room. We need to get closer to that Dane mentality.”

Also during the panel, Program Executive Officer for Ships Rear Adm. David Gale explained the importance of building in enough flexibility from the beginning of a program. With the Mobile Landing Platform design being used as the basis of the Afloat Forward Staging Base design, the latter ship only has as much flexibility in it as the former – which in this case is a lot of flexibility. Gale praised the AFSB team for achieving “80 percent of the requirement for 50 percent of the cost by just going to MLP and adding an aviation capability to the ship.”

In fact, the ship design has so much flexibility and extra margins built into it that Gale said, “in aviation and in [special operations] warfare areas, we’re already writing change documents to improve these ships.”
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The modification seems to be centred around the need to modify the launch from horizontal to vertical. Since the range is not OTH, can anyone comment why this modification is needed.

Vertical launch allows the missile to effectively engage a target from any direction, without the need for a horizontal launcher to first mechanically rotate the missile towards the target. Also, a rotating horizontal launcher will have blind spots, blocked by the ship's structures whereas a vertical launch system allows the missile to simply be launched over the ship itself.
Of course, vertical launch also means faster firing rate compared to a single horizontal arm style launcher which needs to be reloaded after each missile.

I believe the Hellfires will be launched from the small space for the VLS behind the 57mm gun on the independence LCS, from previous drawings. Freedom class will launch it from the aft of the main superstructure.
 

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The modification seems to be centred around the need to modify the launch from horizontal to vertical. Since the range is not OTH, can anyone comment why this modification is needed.

I suppose it is allowing the missiles to fitted to some VLS launcher which might allow for other SR weapons.

IMHO, this might be a good weapon as a secondary weapon for ASuW. But their helos can carry it...and they still need a heftier ASM for OTH duties against peer class vessels.
 
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Saudis Detail Eastern Fleet for US

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the second letter arrived (not directly to me though LOL):
Saudi Eastern Fleet Request Advances
A second letter of request (LoR) from the Saudi government detailing requirements for the Eastern Fleet replacement program was delivered to the US Navy in February, barely a month after an initial request was sent, according to sources here at the International Defence Exposition show.

The move highlights a heightened pace in developments related to the Saudi Naval Expansion Program, a project that could be worth as much as US $16 billion.

Competition has been fierce between French suppliers, who hold the preponderance of contracts in support of Saudi Arabia's western, or Red Sea fleet, and the US. Transmission of the LoRs to the US Navy's International Program Office could indicate the Saudis are leaning strongly toward a US buy.

If so, the Eastern Fleet plan also offers the strongest potential case yet for the first foreign sale of a version of the US Navy's littoral combat ship (LCS).

The February LoR offered a few more details and clarified some issues from the January document, sources said. As before, the Saudis did not list specific ship designs, but rather gave guidelines for their requirements. Among the highlights:

  • Four 3,500-ton "frigate-like warships" capable of anti-air warfare, armed with an eight-to-16-cell vertical launch system (VLS) capable of launching Standard SM-2 missiles; fitted with an "Aegis or like" combat system using "SPY-1F or similar" radars; able to operate Sikorsky MH-60R helicopters; with a speed of 35 knots.
  • Six 2,500-ton warships with combat systems compatible with the frigates, able to operate MH-60R helos.
  • 20 to 24 fast patrol vessels about 40 to 45 meters long, powered by twin diesels.
  • 10 "maritime helicopters" with characteristics identical to the MH-60R.
  • Three maritime patrol aircraft for coastal surveillance.
  • 30 to 50 UAVs, some for maritime use, some to be shore-based.
The Saudis are said to be not interested in developing new designs, but rather want "proven capability" in their purchases.

Some reports indicated the Saudis want the shipbuilder to be the prime contractor for the program, but not to exclude Lockheed Martin, prime contractor for the Freedom-class LCS built at Fincantieri Marinette Marine. Such a requirement, however, is not in the LoR.

Lockheed Martin and Austal USA have offered versions of their littoral combat ships fitted with VLS and phased-array radars, including the SPY-1F, both for export and most recently for the US Navy's Small Surface Combatant (SSC) competition conducted in 2014. In December, the US Navy chose to forgo Aegis and VLS on its SSCs, now designated as frigates.

Other than the LCS/SSC/frigate designs, there are no other US designs in production that would fit the 3,500-ton parameters of the Saudi frigate.

The Saudis have long been said to be interested in the Lockheed LCS fitted with Aegis, SPY-1F and VLS, and the details in the LoR closely match characteristics of Lockheed's Multi-Mission Surface Combatant Ship (SCS) using the same 118-meter-long hull as that on current LCSs for the US Navy. The Saudis are widely reported not to be so interested in the ship's modular capabilities, although a reduced version of the mission bay features of the ships is expected to be part of the design.

It is not clear what ships the Saudis might have in mind for the 2,500-ton warships, although a stripped down LCS might fit those parameters. There is some thought, sources said, that the ships could be versions of the LCS but without Aegis. Earlier reports indicated the Saudis were asking for 12 of these ships, but those reports were either wrong or the number has been modified.

It is also not clear what the fast patrol craft could be. The US Navy has begun buying the Mark VI patrol boat, a craft that fits many of the Saudi parameters, but those craft are distinctly smaller, at 25 meters.

Another question mark is the maritime patrol aircraft. The Saudis may be interested in the Boeing P-8A Poseidon now being fielded by the US Navy, or some other aircraft.

Driving the apparent sense of urgency in Saudi Arabia, sources said, is the approval of $3.5 billion for the Eastern Fleet in the 2015 defense budget. The Saudis reportedly wish to decide on the four frigates this year and use the 2015 allocation as payment; the rest of the program would follow in subsequent years.

The initial LoR was transmitted to the US shortly before the Jan. 23 death of the Saudi monarch, King Abdullah. His successor, King Salman, however, was the defense minister at the time of the LoR's transmission, and sources here said the new regime continues to strongly favor the Eastern Fleet plan.

It is not clear from the LoR where the ships are expected to be built, although the frigates would likely be built in the US.

The only other significant US design built in recent years for a foreign customer is the 500-ton Ambassador Mark III class of missile corvettes recently completed for Eqypt. Those four ships, intended to defend the Suez Canal, were built by VT Halter Marine in Pascagoula, Mississippi, but their details don't seem to fit the Saudi LoR.
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asif iqbal

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I don't think Saudis have the capability experience to operate advanced warships

Better would be buy off the shelve and have them manned foreign sailors
 
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