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Discussion in 'Air Force' started by F40Racer, Jan 1, 2008.
its the J-8II ACT (Active Control Technology). FBW Testbed (All-axis Digital-Quadruples ???)
It was used to test/develop J10 canards ?
More like test aerodynamic instability/FBW. Don't think it had much to do with J-10.
The J8II is a SAC product, the J10 is CAC. The two are bitter rivals and neither would want, allow or trust their aircraft to be used to test systems from the other company.
Any more information on this J-8II ACT? Static display somewhere?
The J-8II ACT is an unsung milestone for Chinese military aviation, the testing of FBW by the J-8II ACT and the J-6 made many future Chinese fighter designs possible
It looks like a display to me. It looks like it's parked in front of an office building. No serious fighter should be parked there.
It's parked inside SAC's complex.
Just how much rivalry are between those 2 companies? I mean both are stated own, both survive solely depends on government orders.
So just how much do they cooperate and compete with each other? Do they share technology between them? share engineers?
I know this is probably not open information, but from the rumors what do we know about them?
They may be both owned by the state, but there is no love lost between them.
IIRC, CAC was actually a spin-off of one of SAC's subsidiaries. SAC never really took them seriously and neither did the air force, so CAC kinda had a chip on their shoulder for a while, and I think that helped to make them what they are today.
CAC got by by making the J7, they did some good work on the J9 study, but that ultimately fell through because of the engine. They made their big breakthrough when their chief designer gate crashed the air force's next gen fighter proposal meeting at the urgence of an Air Force higher up fed up with SAC's incompetence. CAC stole the shown and turned a slam dunk for SAC into an actual competition, which they then went on to win. That project led to the J10 and the rest is history. And now it's SAC's turn to feel the weight of the chip on their shoulder.
The rivalry between the two is such that it has hinted at that the reason the J10 still uses the AL31 is because SAC has the WS10A maker in their pocket and was using all it's influence to make sure their J11 got priority.
The two might both be owned by the state, but I think their relationship makes Lockmart and Boeing look like blood brothers.
So is there any kind of technical cooperation between the two? They might not share design, but do they share technology at least?