Latest generation short-range air-to-air missile

williamhou

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Namely AIM-9X, IRIS-T, AIM-132 ASRAAM, Python 5. All of them have 90 degrees+ OBA ability (can not confirm for ASRAAM, it may be inferior to the others, reason for the development of IRIS-T and AIM-9X), 20-25 km max range and IRCCM (infrared counter counter measures).

Videos of AIM-9X, demonstrating its high ability to destroy targets even behind the launch plane. IRIS-T with trust vectoring and 60g manoeuvrability may perform even better.

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Current short range AAM in PLAAF are PL-8 and PL-9 and their variants, with OBA 20 degrees and shorter range seems to have little chance against planes armed with AIM-9X, IRIS-T. No wonder how agile J-10/11 is, AIM-9X, IRIS-T do not even need an angle to fire missile and can lock on as long as target is with in range. It seems dog fight is history with these advanced AAM.
 

Blitzo

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Namely AIM-9X, IRIS-T, AIM-132 ASRAAM, Python 5. All of them have 90 degrees+ OBA ability (can not confirm for ASRAAM, it may be inferior to the others, reason for the development of IRIS-T and AIM-9X), 20-25 km max range and IRCCM (infrared counter counter measures).

Videos of AIM-9X, demonstrating its high ability to destroy targets even behind the launch plane. IRIS-T with trust vectoring and 60g manoeuvrability may perform even better.

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Current short range AAM in PLAAF are PL-8 and PL-9 and their variants, with OBA 20 degrees and shorter range seems to have little chance against planes armed with AIM-9X, IRIS-T. No wonder how agile J-10/11 is, AIM-9X, IRIS-T do not even need an angle to fire missile and can lock on as long as target is with in range. It seems dog fight is history with these advanced AAM.
If you're wondering if China has any equivalents, it has the PL-10/PL-ASR underdevelopment which supposedly has 90 degrees off boresight, lock on after launch and IRCCM too..
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I think dog fights aren't history, I mean people have said that many times in the past. I think that as planes become faster, and more manouverable; new missiles will be made to intercept them.
Until lasers are small enough to be put on fighter aircraft (or any aircraft for that matter) then I think we can safely say that dog fights are history. But even then, with self repairing materials, strong materials and possibly even "force shields" (seriously, it's just a matter of time) in the future I think dogfights will be with us for a good few decades or century yet..
 

williamhou

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If you're wondering if China has any equivalents, it has the PL-10/PL-ASR underdevelopment which supposedly has 90 degrees off boresight, lock on after launch and IRCCM too..
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I think dog fights aren't history, I mean people have said that many times in the past. I think that as planes become faster, and more manouverable; new missiles will be made to intercept them.
Until lasers are small enough to be put on fighter aircraft (or any aircraft for that matter) then I think we can safely say that dog fights are history. But even then, with self repairing materials, strong materials and possibly even "force shields" (seriously, it's just a matter of time) in the future I think dogfights will be with us for a good few decades or century yet..

I have seen that before. Very little is know about "PL-10", not sure whether it is actually real though. Due to China's history of reliance on foreign design for AAM (have they ever made a capable AAM themselves?), unless its corporating with other countries on AAM and using a lot of foreign technology, I think it is highly unlikely they will be able to offer ability similar to AIM-9X.

That picture looks almost the same as the South African A-Darter, which uses BAE Systems guidance system. Could British let their seekers used in Chinese missiles?

If China is to get foreign assistance on new short range AAM, Russian R-73 is quite likely to be a base, which has OBA of only 60 degrees and fly slowly (Mach 2.5) compare to IRIS-T (Mach 3), ASRAAM (Mach3.5). Assuming Russians offer their R-73 technology, it is still inferior to latest generation missiles in past few years.

Not sure whether Israel will be able to offer Python-5 technology, which is said to have "full sphere capability" as AIM-9X and IRIS-T, can attack a target regardless of the target's location relative to the direction of the launching aircraft. American resistance is likely to be intense on this.
 

montyp165

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I have seen that before. Very little is know about "PL-10", not sure whether it is actually real though. Due to China's history of reliance on foreign design for AAM (have they ever made a capable AAM themselves?), unless its corporating with other countries on AAM and using a lot of foreign technology, I think it is highly unlikely they will be able to offer ability similar to AIM-9X.

That picture looks almost the same as the South African A-Darter, which uses BAE Systems guidance system. Could British let their seekers used in Chinese missiles?

If China is to get foreign assistance on new short range AAM, Russian R-73 is quite likely to be a base, which has OBA of only 60 degrees and fly slowly (Mach 2.5) compare to IRIS-T (Mach 3), ASRAAM (Mach3.5). Assuming Russians offer their R-73 technology, it is still inferior to latest generation missiles in past few years.

Not sure whether Israel will be able to offer Python-5 technology, which is said to have "full sphere capability" as AIM-9X and IRIS-T, can attack a target regardless of the target's location relative to the direction of the launching aircraft. American resistance is likely to be intense on this.

SRAAMs shouldn't be too much of an issue for the PRC to develop, it already has enough different types of techs to develop an AIM-9X/IRIS-T competitor, just takes time to put it all together.
 

Blitzo

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I have seen that before. Very little is know about "PL-10", not sure whether it is actually real though. Due to China's history of reliance on foreign design for AAM (have they ever made a capable AAM themselves?), unless its corporating with other countries on AAM and using a lot of foreign technology, I think it is highly unlikely they will be able to offer ability similar to AIM-9X.

That picture looks almost the same as the South African A-Darter, which uses BAE Systems guidance system. Could British let their seekers used in Chinese missiles?

If China is to get foreign assistance on new short range AAM, Russian R-73 is quite likely to be a base, which has OBA of only 60 degrees and fly slowly (Mach 2.5) compare to IRIS-T (Mach 3), ASRAAM (Mach3.5). Assuming Russians offer their R-73 technology, it is still inferior to latest generation missiles in past few years.

Not sure whether Israel will be able to offer Python-5 technology, which is said to have "full sphere capability" as AIM-9X and IRIS-T, can attack a target regardless of the target's location relative to the direction of the launching aircraft. American resistance is likely to be intense on this.
Well there is actually little we know of the PLA that is "actually real" if you put it that way.
I'm not sure how looking like the A-Darter means that it will have to use BAE systems guidance..
They have had experience in developing the PL-9 and PL-12 (which both used foreign seekers or something). I think it's not going to be THAT a bit jump to develop a SRAAM or LRAAM comparable to the latest western ones.
It just comes down to if you think if they're capable enough to do that yet.
I for any rate think they should be able to build one quite capably.

You can ask tphuang or crobato for more info, they know way more stuff.
 

crobato

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Increase in boresight is fairly easy to achieve. There are two factors that govern it and its relatively "low tech". The first is the wide angle vision of the "lens" that forms the transparent nose of the seeker. The second factor is the flexibility of the gimball mechanism that turns the sensor array around upon a ball joint.
 
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