Large Amphibious Assault Vessels

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    Nice and interesting we see and have now or very soon a flight of F-35B aboard, 2 configurations :
    America
    Amph Assault : 6 F-35B + 25 helos 1700 troops, 3000 t fuel av
    " little CV " max 20 F-35 + 2 helos , " "

    Wasp class
    " little CV " 20 AV-8B + 6 helos , 1900 trops, 1200 t fuel Av
    Amph Assault : 6 + 24, " "

    AV-8B more small and Take considerably less space but F-35B much more capable, stealth, range, radars weapons load when the true ops Block get ready the 3F no match.

    I don' t have ammos qty but a Nimitz carry 3000 t and 9000 t fuel so i think minimum 500 t for America close Charles De Gaulle 600 t do same size thinking 300 t for a Wasp, if you have more o_O
     
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    I see 12 x F-35Bs on deck here:

    America-12xF35b-01.jpg
     
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    In addition to the Ford and its trials, the US Navy also launched (in April) the USS Tripoli, LHA-7. This is the second America class and sister ship to the America, LHA-6, which has already been delivered.

    Air centric. Now well deck. It can do air assault very nicely with helos and Opsreys, but has also been designed to be a Sea Control, or pure CAS carrier with up to 20 F-35Bs stationed on deck to do that role.

    Nice looking. The Ford grabbed the headlines and the lime light...but you can bet other nations see that the US is building up its own carrier capability fairly quickly. One of these with 20 F-35Bs and some sort of AEW capability, would be the match for almost any other carrier available.

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    https://scout.com/military/warrior/...ps-the-Future-of-Amphibious-Warfare-112314992
     
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    "http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zon...ult-ship-will-almost-be-in-a-class-of-its-own"
    No surprise that the America and Tripoli being put into that role seeing that it has no well deck. But the designers are daft enough to not at least give it a ski jump ramp for the F-35Bs it is supposed to be carrying.
    Well I suppose if you are insistent on having a gimped carrier, you might as well be cutting all the corners you can.
    That's the problem with the Marines, a fascination for air support regardless of its feasibility and reasonableness.
     
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    They intentionally designed it that way to favor aviation. as time has gone by the Aviation arm of the Marines have become more important. Flight ops are more common than Amphibious assaults. Besides The US has a substantial number of other ships with well decks, Including the Wasp class LHDs (from which the America class evolved), San Antonio class LPDs and LPD Flight IIa (LSD types).
    The Majority of operations off the LHA6/7 are rotary wing Helicopters and Tiltrotors for them a Ramp is less critical. it might be nice but there is really only one bird on that deck that could use it. UH1, AH1, V22,CH53 and CH53K don't need the ramp.
     
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    Having just only 1 out of the 2 issue present ( welldeck or ski ramp) may not have been so egregious, but it is the combination of the 2 that really made it hit the fan. The Wasp are due to be replaced in due time (which is what the America class is designed for), while the San Antonio don't have the carrying capacity of the America pound for buck so to to speak.
    Don't get me wrong, aviation is important. But to delete an equally important fundamental component from the ship is really taking a gamble of the dice in terms of flexibility . Rotor wing craft can be operated just as easily from the other ships (Wasp and San Antonio) but not LCAC units.
     
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    No America class Replaced the Tarawa class. All Wasp class are in service the First of the Wasp class shouldn't be leaving service for another 10 years, assuming that they have the same 37 year service life as the Tarawa.
    The USN rotates back and forth between LHA and LHD and Wasp was spun off of Tarawa much like how America was spun off the last of the Wasp the Markin Island. it's likely that this will repeat again with a Wasp replacement favoring the Amphibious role.
    farther more the LHA 8 in it's configuration will carry 2 LCAC, this is the same number as a San Antonio class. the Wasps carry 3 LCACs which is not that bit a jump. As to off loading Aviation again what the 2 Americas offer is more than what a Wasp or San Antonio class can. a San Antonio can carry 4 V22 an America class can be loaded down with 22 if the mission needed.
    Now the USN only built 2 of them and that was by design. not with the Bougainville they are returning to a more conventional LHA, I would even argue reasonable to call it Bougainville class, with about5-6 or so come off the line with LHA 11 or12 being the basis for a LHD 9 with a larger well deck to replace the Wasps.
     
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