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    Against me don't worry and thank you but I am " armored " as a Leclerc :), 2 weeks the mess going no moderation what you want, let's play they have soon vacation...
     
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    I like your posts! They are a challenge to understand at times but for the most part they are generally very informative. And with a little effort on my part I can understand what you are trying to say. I dare say that it goes both ways.

    I walked away from the forum twelve months ago due to a certain member. He's on my ignore list and that won't change. I've decided to return and do my utmost to contribute without falling into old ways. I just don't like the bloke and that isn't going to change.

    You've got a lot to contribute Forbin. Do what you need to whilst playing a major part of this forum.
     
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    Merci mon Ami !
    Only in more only " personns " with poor knowledge, free posts useless, various facts !!! only agressivity nothing interesting and no courage they post intentionaly in abreviated " ffs ", " bs " no courage

    Look their posts LOL main reason ungry against westerners possible they see my country but i don't want remove i am French to 100 % since générations... in all forum i have my nationalty and never i have problems only here sadly !!! they get wrong and the bann soon
     
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    I wouldn't give an age limit, like 5, or 10 or even 20. How well one learns a language depends on many factors. I came to the US when I was 16 and I speak English like a native with no accent. I perfected my English in high school. To this day, only once, an older gentleman, with whom I had a long conversation about politics, thought I might've spent some time away from Texas because he could tell that "my Texan was not as strong as it should be..."

    So what determines how well one can learn a second language?

    1. Motivation. I had a lot of motivation in high school when I was the only "China boy" in class. In a small town in Texas back then, your weird accent automatically became a source of ridicule. We all know how cruel kids can be... So I tried everything I could to lose the accent so that I wouldn't get bullied. I got a lot of help from an old lady who lived next door. She was very patient and tried to correct how my tongue and lips should move when pronouncing words. That helped a lot and I was able to lose almost all my accent within a short period of time.

    2. Personality. You won't learn a foreign language well if you are shy. Learning a new language is like learning everything else: practice, practice, practice. If you are shy and constantly worried about looking silly and being laughed at, you won't speak a lot and won't learn very well. I am the kind of person who would need help shutting my mouth... I have no problem speaking with anyone and won't hesitate to speak to them. I made several friends within a week of starting high school even when I couldn't speak English...

    3. Well...Hey, I am a smart cookie :rolleyes:... Because of my top-notch brain, I pick up things very quickly :cool::D
     
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    I give you a challenge learn french I want to see if you are so good as you demand from him
     
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    Just a question " ffs " rude in translation hummm medium ...o_O

    Meantime LOLOL :D
    FFS! Shut up, woman! Just don't let him carry you down the stairs when he's drunk and you'll be fine!
    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=FFS

    In French FTG nah :p
     
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    You have an accent, that is sure, plus your intonation by slightly it is is is based upon Chinese phonetics, for you is not perceptible (I do not feel I have accent too but i do).

    I have a friend from Switzerland, he has almost not accent, in fact i thought he spoke like native, however he does have an accent, native people will distinguish it, you do not feel you have an accent, plus is rude specially in the US to say you have accent if you are Asian or a minority.
    He told me his wife and daughters can pick it up (when they say you have an accent from being away from Texas is a nice way to tell you, you do have an accent


    What you can not understand is the tongue and its related muscles do adapt to the phonetics of their native language, since Spanish is my native language, my tongue muscles are adapted to the vowels and consonants of Spanish, my ear also is trained to Spanish sounds, people develop an accent because we can not distinguish a sound from another and the tongue finds it hard to think how to produce it.

    I can believe you have a very good English, after many years of been in the USA, my Swiss friend has a really good English too, but you have a foreign accent that is for sure, in fact i can assure you, you speak English using words that get you closer to Chinese Grammar, for me, for example i tend to use cognates that are both in English and Spanish in few words words that are easy for me to understand.


    Further more there are ethnic accent, you can tell a person is Hispanic, even if it is native from one who is African american, in fact the different accent a language has is related to the people that adopted the language.

    Cuban Spanish for example has phonetics of Southern Spain mixed with African phonetics, Mexican Spanish was highly influenced by the Native american languages and Argentine and Uruguayan Spanish is highly influenced by Italian.


    American Spanish is farther apart from its British origin compared to Australian English (remember Australia has more links to England and its independence was several centuries after the US got its independence), people from the north east cost in the USA has been influenced more by British English, than Texan or Californian English that have higher influence of Spanish, and you can see it in the way R is pronounce.
     
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    First, I have no interest whatsoever in hanging around French language forums.
    Second, I have no incentives whatsoever to excel in French except either to piss you off or to show how smart I am, both of which are quite boring for me considering how little, if at all, your challenge means to me.
    Third, this is an English language forum in case you forgot.
    Fourth, 5 years in the same sorry state tells you the lack of transferable skills and problem solving skills however you want to slice it.

    A navy with shiny toys and feeble minds? Who knows?
     
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    you decline the challenge because you know you skills are poor, i am sure you demand from others to speak very well but when you are asked to learn a second language your ability is poor, thus you demand but you won`t deliver your self, when you speak good french, then talk to me, I only listen to a person to ask me to speak good English if they speak good Spanish, because is easy to demand but very hard to deliver.

    Thus i will be tolerant to him, because to learn a language you need also the opportunity, and teachers are patient, they know the best way to encourage a student to learn the language is give time to time and practice and practice and more practice, thus i will not be like you, I will be nice to him and let him practice, that is the best way.
     
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    Why in the hell are you still typing in English? Yes, because this is an English language forum. You know that. Do we need French here? Not by a long shot.

    Isn't it reasonable and logical to behave and act like you are in an English language environment here and expect others to do the same? I would reasonably expect actively posting members at least as a courtesy to make an effort to improve , especially given the ample amount of time actively posting here.

    If your emotion doesn't agree with the facts, that would be beyond anyone's control or responsibility to rectify it. I therefore don't see any further compelling reason to continue this rather pointless back and forth.
     
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