JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

Discussion in 'Air Force' started by johnqh, Jun 21, 2011.

  1. asif iqbal
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    Vertical break
     
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    Well that is finally a significant breakthrough for the JF-17, a purchase in actually significant numbers. The weapons package too will make it a very enticing options for other buyers seeking to enhance their respective airforces. All in all CAC can toast itself over this one.
     
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    And I remember some saying it would never fly

    I followed the JF17 since 2001

    And clearly remember it’s flight on parade day in 2003

    16 years later we have moved into block 3

    Would have liked to have seen Block 3 in 2018 but let’s hope for another bumper year
     
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    I have followed it since 1994 when it was no more than a taunt or a bit of bravado from Pakistan in response to the embargoed F-16 aircraft fleet. I read about it in weekly Defense News and wondered if this thing would ever amount to much. Look at it now. JF-17 block III would be technologically superior to Block 52 F-16 in PAF's arsenal, thanks to the AESA radar and other improvements.

    I too had anticipated JF-17 Block III's first flight in 2018. I understand that it would be loaded with more & better goodies than what was discussed up to only a couple of years ago. So, the wait is worth it.
     
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    JF-17's first flight may be in August but there's a good chance that it'll be rolled out a few months before that.

    The Block III will finally provide the PAF with a Gripen-E-class aircraft while giving PAC & CAC the necessary muscle to push into the lucrative GCC and possibly European markets.
     
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    Hi,

    About a decade ago I had written on PDF that if the first aircrafts had a twin seater available right from the gitgo---this aircraft would be targetting a sale of over a 1000 units---.

    Paf really really screwed up just by coming up with a single seater---. That showed bad homework---poor decision making---shoving the Paf ideology on other air forces---.
     
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    Well in light of the two seater finally coming to fruition, it is safe to say that the JF-17 Thunder's sales look ominous. If what the rumors are saying is true, then CAC-PAC will have their hands full with orders. So let's sit tight, and watch what happens. One thing is for sure though, regardless of what happens, 2019 will be the start of great success for the JF-17 Thunders.
     
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    I don't see how the decision for making the JF-17 as a single seater would have impeded any potential sales to any other country. The JF-17 being derived from the Mig-21 would have taken significant work to be made into a two seater, plus the PAF requirements at time was not for the JF-17 to be presentable as an export. The PAF needed an immediate replacement for their ageing fighters that is affordable.

    For the JF-17 to have sold over 1000 units is a truly exaggerated claim. For any aircraft to reach that kind of sales it would have to have the combination of both an exceptionally capable design and good political networking among the client states. The JF-17 posses neither of these, but it's performance for a fighter that is bereft of these advantages is still nothing to frown upon.
     
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    1. JF-17 is not derived from Mig-21. I wish Indians & other critics of the JF-17 program get a real good grasp of the fact that JF-17 <> Super 7. The ideology of fielding a low-cost & capable fighter that could be produced in numbers is the only thing that is shared with Mig-21.

    2. JF-17's design advantages are not lost upon customers. That is the reason why there are three customers with two of them operating JF-17 fleets. Cost of platform & its operation, high sortie rate (due to very quick turn-around time) are very important factors that can not be ignored. The integration of electronic sub-systems like AESA radar, wide range of armament, future growth, & relative lack of (political) strings are all more plus points that are not directly related to the design, but are very significant factors in the aircraft program's success.

    This is not the first time these thoughts have been shared, but I do really really hope that it is the last time. Thank you.
     
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    I will disagree on this, the Super 7 was based in turn on the Mig-21. With all subsequent derivatives showing little substantial differentiation. Therefore it is not wrong to say that the JF-17 finds its roots in the Mig-21. This is in no way criticizing the JF-17, but merely acknowledging it's lineage.
    While subsequent JF-17 designs shows such improvements like the AESA radar that you have highlighted, it must be noted that such selections are also available on other fighters on the market as well, with other nations like Russia offering just as few, if not even less, political strings in the process.
    While all of this, again, does not reduce the capability of the JF-17 in anyway. It is highly unlikely to reach the kind of legendary production like those associated with the F-16 and Mig-29. These fighters represents truly revolutionary designs and concepts of their time.
     
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