JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

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  1. plawolf
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    There is also the logistical consideration with munitions cost.

    While Chinese PGMs are almost certain to be considerably cheaper than western ones, the PAF should have a sizeable existing inventory of western PGMs that they already bought and paid for.

    Retiring the Mirages would probably make many if not most of them useless, as French munitions (especially the stand-off ones) are unlikely to be integrated with American F16s or JF17s.

    Keeping the Mirages is most likely as much as about making the most of that existing munitions investment as it is about replacement priorities.

    In peacetime, it is also unwise to make large munitions bulk purchases, as even with the best care and maintenance, munitions do date expire.

    As such, it is far better to gradually build up you munitions inventory over years, with regular modest additions.

    That way you can pretty much match munitions expiry with training needs to make sure munitions about to expire are used up during regular training and exercises to avoid wastage. Which is what I expect the PAF to be doing with Chinese munitions for their JF17s.

    From a training value POV, it is far better to fire live munitions from a Mirage than it is to only get to use a JF17 simulator.

    Extending the Mirage fleet operational lives is probably to try and allow them to use up all existing munitions in training.

    You can probably also get a lot of carry over benefits when Mirage pilots do convert to JF17s or another replacement type from them getting regular training firing live weapons.
     
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    I don't know what the JF-17 block III is going to look like but I hope they redesign the airframe to make it more manoeuvrable. A bubble canopy to give the pilot a 360° view and a larger nose cone to fit the new AESA radar and IRST. The design has been finalized back in march of this year. So we hope to see the first flying prototype at the end of next year or the beginning of 2020. The system integration shouldn't be a problem as Chengdu already has experience building the J-10C and the J-20.

    A question. Why was HMS not integrated with the block II upgrade ?
     
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    I interpreted that as you hope the JF-17 BLK III turns into a J-10C.
     
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    In terms of radar it makes more sense to design a new AESA to fit the existing radome; the LETRI AESA had already demonstrated it can be easily refit onto existing JF-17s and I imagine KLJ-7A was designed with something similar in mind. I wouldn't be surprised if an IRST could be added without substantial redesign of the nose either.

    I can imagine some minor structural enhancements and tweaking the flight control software but I wouldn't look forward to any major airframe rework.

    I expect Block III JF-17 to look broadly similar externally to Block I and II, but with most of the changes being in the avionics, potentially some of the materials and structure of the aircraft. If they are able to introduce a more powerful powerplant that would be attractive as well.


    Probably because either it cost too much or the technology wasn't available in a satisfactory way or a combination of both.
     
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    Wow nice

    A 2018 unit in 2018 only just

    Should have 18-162
     
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    From a Pakistani "big shrimp" (Windjammer) from PDF:
    https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jf-17-block-3-will-fly-in-august-2019.594030/
     
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    One more nugget from Windjammer:

    https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/jf-17-block-3-will-fly-in-august-2019.594030/page-4#post-11061470
     
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    Reads like a pb or 空军厂 thread. The key points are very similar, what with the preeminence of IRST against stealth targets, LPI mode of AESAs, and HMS-compatible HOBS SRAAMs.
     
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    Up!

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