JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

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NIGERIA BUDGETS ADDITIONAL PAYMENT FOR JF-17 ORDER FROM PAKISTAN

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In its
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for 2018, Nigeria has allocated NGN 13.12 billion ($36 million U.S.) as a payment for an order for three JF-17 Thunder multi-role fighters – along with support equipment and spare parts – from Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC).

This follows an
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in 2016 worth NGN 5 billion ($13.9 m U.S.).

Nigeria’s budget proposal confirms that the Nigerian Air Force’s order for three JF-17s is still in place, but it is being executed through installments paid in cash. The Nigerian Air Force, PAC and Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC) have yet to release a timeline for deliveries.

In its budget proposal for 2017, Nigeria had earmarked $68.76 million U.S. for platforms for “counter air, counter surface, air ops for strategic effect and air support operations.”

It appears that the JF-17 is sharing the allocation with the Russian Helicopters Mi-35M, for which Nigeria
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and has 10 on order (with delivery
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), and potentially 12 A-29 Super Tucano turboprop-powered close air support (CAS) and light-strike aircraft.

In August 2017, the U.S. State Department greenlit a proposal worth $593 million U.S. to sell A-29 Super Tucanos to Nigeria. In December 2017, the U.S.
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a letter-of-acceptance (LOA) to the Nigerian Air Force to finalize the purchase and issue initial payments by February 2018.

In July 2017, the Nigerian Air Force started taking delivery of the Super Mushshak trainers it ordered from PAC in 2016. PAC
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five new-built aircraft, replacing the interim aircraft it had lent in December 2016. Nigeria has a total of 10 Super Mushshak on order.

On the surface, it would seem as though the JF-17 is factoring as a lower priority on the Nigerian Air Force’s procurement roadmap, certainly in comparison to the A-29 (which is to have a launch order of 12 planes).

However, defence analyst, historian, writer and retired Pakistan Air Force (PAF) officer
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told Quwa that he believes there is a strong rationale for the small launch order:

“Nigerian Air Force has taken an incremental approach to the induction of the JF-17. Considering the fact that it does not operate an advanced modern fighter other than a dozen F-7NI (a variant of F-7MG), it seems sensible to have ordered three-odd JF-17, on which maintenance crews would get trained, followed by pilots that will form the core and be available for follow-on inductions.

Tufail added that incremental purchasing also makes fiscal sense, “Financially, it also makes sense to stagger the purchase so that it can be funded from within own resources, rather than overburdening the economy by taking loans.” In addition, by committing a few Block-IIs for a start for primarily acclimation, Tufail stated that Nigeria can stage the bulk of its future procurement for the forthcoming JF-17 Block-III:

“From an operational standpoint, a small purchase of the existing Block-II aircraft leaves open the option of inducting Block-III, which is likely to be available in about two years or so. During this time the NAF would have set up the basic infrastructure and trained sufficient pilots to induct the more advanced version of the JF-17.”

Finally, with PAC mostly focused on fulfilling the requirements of the PAF (i.e. fulfilling the PAF’s objective of supplanting a 190 aircraft by 2020), a small export order is sustainable:

“While the NAF may not be ready to induct the JF-17 en masse for the above-stated reasons, PAC Kamra is also constrained by its production capacity, as it has to cater for the PAF which needs to replace its older fleet of Mirage III/5 and F-7 at the rate of one squadron per year. Apparently, the small initial order suits PAC quite well, since the export orders have finally started, and more countries in Asia and Africa are likely to take the cue from NAF.”

Nigeria will join Myanmar as the second third-party user of the FC-1/JF-17 platform. Myanmar signed its order for 16 FC-1 during the 2015 Paris Air Show. Myanmar’s first FC-1 was
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undergoing flight tests in China in June 2017.

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asif iqbal

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In 1965 war Chinese were poor people and country was in not a good state

But they gifted Pakistan F6 fighter with VHF radios and with Soviet style instruments

Pakistan was a bit surprised but Chinese said this is the best we have for you, because it’s the best we have right now

Then in 1999 war F7PG arrived from China again it was the most China could do but it wasn’t the fighter but the gesture that counted

These fighters can be found in Pakistan roundabouts and museums

Now we have thanks to China again JF17 B1, B2 and even B3, don’t think that it’s just a fighter project between two countrys it’s a lot of history there and lots of good feelings which have made project a sucesss, we know China can do it but joint projects are tough it doesn’t seem that way for Sino-Pak

It’s now 2018 and 5th generation J20 fighter with WS10 engines are flying around we can only look on with amazement and happiness how far China has come in the last few years
 

plawolf

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we know China can do it but joint projects are tough it doesn’t seem that way for Sino-Pak

Just a slight note of caution, joint projects are tough, and I don’t think there is any special formula between China and Pakistan that can make such projects much easier despite the mutual respect and friendship between the two countries and peoples.

After all, most other joint projects are also between friendly nations and people’s.

The JF17 is not your typical joint development fighter because the PLAAF doesn’t have a state in the project.

That meant the PAF was able to call all the shots on the design.

If the PLAAF was to also take delivery of several hundred JF17s as originally agreed, then the PLAAF would almost certainly have wanted
something a little different from the design.

That is where joint projects normally gets difficult.

That’s why I think there are no JF17s in service with the PLAAF - the PAF had a look at what the JF17 would have been if the PLAAF had equal say in its design parameters and decided that getting the JF17 they wanted was more important than making sure China made a matching order. So I am almost certain that the deal was re-negotiated to allow the PLAAF to opt out of its early commitment to buy the type if it gave total project control to the PAF.
 

Deino

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Any news on the Nigerian birds? Are they already in production and what's the schedule?

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>> Some of the upgrades to be expected in the JF-17 Thunder twin seat variant. Pakistan Airforce will equip these new fighters with the cutting edge ASELPOD all weather targeting system which will bring its strike capability at par with the F-16 C/D Block 52+ . . .

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asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
Definitely JF17B will be providing building block for Block III

Block III will be a top tier fighter platform

Cannot wait till we see it fly

The only thing the F16 C/D Block 52 has over JF17 is the sniper targeting pod with precision weapons

Once JF17 Block III joins that role will be taken

Let’s remember Block III will include what B1 and B2 has like AWACS integration and in flight refuelling

Superb all around

Block II gained exports to 2 country’s I expect Azerbaijan to follow they are very close to signing

Then Block III will take exports to a new level

Chinese marketing team have shown how to pitch fighters to Pakistani counterparts now even Super Mushshak jet trainer got over 80 export orders from 4 country’s in 3 years

Pakistan was basically using its pilot to pitch the aircraft they are not salesmen they are bloody pilots !!!
 

Equation

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>> Some of the upgrades to be expected in the JF-17 Thunder twin seat variant. Pakistan Airforce will equip these new fighters with the cutting edge ASELPOD all weather targeting system which will bring its strike capability at par with the F-16 C/D Block 52+ . . .

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Well done! Where are all my naysayers, doubters, and haters at?:D
 
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