JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[vesicles]

With that being said, there is something to be said and gained from acquiring tribal knowledge of jet fighter development. Even if Tejas turns out to be a lemon, a very expensive lemon even, the knowledge and skills acquired would play a key role for their future domestic fighter programs.

In my opinion, it is not knowledge or skills that the Indians lack. They have access to virtually every technology that they seek. Additionally, India has many many highly talented engineers and scientists. So it's not about the actual hardware.

I think it's mainly a philosophical issue, the way the Indian government approaches things. In my opinion, they focus so much on the flashy exterior but lose sight of the mundane foundation. While doing that, they manage to waste all their talent on a wild goose chase.

If they don't change their mindset, any hard-learned technical experience and lessons will be continually wasted on aimless chase of "glory" and "victory".

We can tell that this is what is happening because almost every weapons development program in India suffers the same problems and setbacks. And the same trend has been continuing for the past 50-60 years without any meaningful change. If it is merely technic issues, such long time should be enough for them to accumulate very solid technical knowhow to achieve significant improvement. But they are still at a standstill in most of their technical programs. So it is not technical knowledge, but philosophical mindset.

If they don't think hard on this, things won't change one bit even if their programs are staffed entirely by western experts. The talent and technical knowhow will still be wasted on aimless and meaningless chase of glory.

 

[kwaigonegin]

In my opinion, it is not knowledge or skills that the Indians lack. They have access to virtually every technology that they seek. Additionally, India has many many highly talented engineers and scientists. So it's not about the actual hardware.

I think it's mainly a philosophical issue, the way the Indian government approaches things. In my opinion, they focus so much on the flashy exterior but lose sight of the mundane foundation. While doing that, they manage to waste all their talent on a wild goose chase.

If they don't change their mindset, any hard-learned technical experience and lessons will be continually wasted on aimless chase of "glory" and "victory".

We can tell that this is what is happening because almost every weapons development program in India suffers the same problems and setbacks. And the same trend has been continuing for the past 50-60 years without any meaningful change. If it is merely technic issues, such long time should be enough for them to accumulate very solid technical knowhow to achieve significant improvement. But they are still at a standstill in most of their technical programs. So it is not technical knowledge, but philosophical mindset.

If they don't think hard on this, things won't change one bit even if their programs are staffed entirely by western experts. The talent and technical knowhow will still be wasted on aimless and meaningless chase of glory.

I don't disagree.. a large part of their weapons procurement fiasco has much to do with the 'mentality' as you had mentioned but that is outside of the scope of this discussion. It requires a total revamp of the education, culture etc to get to that type of productive mindset.

It's quite unfortunate because Indian diaspora as a whole are one of the brightest and most successful groups of people anywhere but within the borders of India itself, this type of inefficient mindset continues.

 

[weig2000]

It's quite unfortunate because Indian diaspora as a whole are one of the brightest and most successful groups of people anywhere but within the borders of India itself, this type of inefficient mindset continues.

This may indicate that institutions, systems and culture within the borders of India itself are deeply flawed at least in some aspects.

I remember a couple of decades back when mainland China just opened up and was very backward (like in, really backward across the board) compared to many of its neighbors which started from similar humble beginnings, let alone western countries, people in the mainland look at their diaspora for inspiration: if overseas Chinese are so successful almost everywhere without exception, then there is something wrong with the systems in mainland, which also means that we could be as successful. Today, it's difficult to argue that Chinese outside the mainland are more successful across the board than those within the borders of mainland China. It takes looking hard at yourself, learning from pretty much everyone - Japan, Asian tigers, Southeast Asian nations, Europe, the US and indeed, Yugoslavia and Hungary in the '80s - and at least decades of hard work.

I think China's experience could be an inspiration for India, too. After all, China used to have its own LCA (like J-9) or Arjun and any number of other failed, unrealistic projects. The way China approaches its various defense programs today is actually quite different from that erstwhile. Some Chinese netizens like to laugh at how India piles up foreign subsystems and components on their "indigenous" platforms, but isn't that what China was doing only a short while ago?

So there is hope for India.

 

[Deino]

Guys ... can we lave out India and the Tejas out of the JF-17 thread?

 

[ougoah]

Isn't this the Tejas thread? Well it should be now.

 

[Dizasta1]

Yes I agree, this is a JF-17 thread and such we ought to keep to the thread parameters. Irrespective that Tejas is an adversary's aircraft, we wish you well in your endeavours. Please keep your discussions about your aircraft in the Tejas thread and let's strive to adhere to the forum rules in the spirit of the Sino-Defense.

 

[siegecrossbow]

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Test flight images of Burmese JF-17s for your view pleasure.

 

[Lethe]

Anyone able to identify the context here? I don't think these girls are pilots or ground crew...

 

[vincent]

Anyone able to identify the context here? I don't think these girls are pilots or ground crew...

Call girls for the Pakistani pilots?

 

[Hyperwarp]

Anyone able to identify the context here? I don't think these girls are pilots or ground crew...

It shows the commitment of the PAF crew. Their focus is on the real lady the "JF-17". They know very well how sensitive she (JF-17) is and how much care she needs.