JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[araberuni]

China officially approached Bangladesh to procure JF-17

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JF-17 offer is a tit-for-tat for India's offer of line of credit for defense procurement to Bangladesh. BN's procurement of type 035G sub caused insomnia for IN and irritated India so much that Indian under the impression that PLAN will sneak in to Bay of Bengal under the hood of sub deal.

From Bangladesh point of view, Bangladesh insist that Bangladesh will use Indian line of credit to buy Russian fighter jet. Bangladesh will only sign MoU with India but no treaty.

My understanding is China has so far 100% success rate of selling military hardware to Bangladesh. If JF-17 push is successful than China will win last three months arms sales tug of war between India, Russia and China.

 

[PiSigma]

China officially approached Bangladesh to procure JF-17

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JF-17 offer is a tit-for-tat for India's offer of line of credit for defense procurement to Bangladesh. BN's procurement of type 035G sub caused insomnia for IN and irritated India so much that Indian under the impression that PLAN will sneak in to Bay of Bengal under the hood of sub deal.

From Bangladesh point of view, Bangladesh insist that Bangladesh will use Indian line of credit to buy Russian fighter jet. Bangladesh will only sign MoU with India but no treaty.

My understanding is China has so far 100% success rate of selling military hardware to Bangladesh. If JF-17 push is successful than China will win last three months arms sales tug of war between India, Russia and China.

Didn't someone say J10 was on offer or that Bangladesh wanted J10 just a couple of days ago?
Either way I thin JF17 is a better fit for Bangladesh. It is a flexible fighter with good upgrade potential and decently priced. J10 might be a better plane but I don't think buying half as many planes works in Bangladesh's favour.

 

[Zahid]

China officially approached Bangladesh to procure JF-17

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JF-17 offer is a tit-for-tat for India's offer of line of credit for defense procurement to Bangladesh. BN's procurement of type 035G sub caused insomnia for IN and irritated India so much that Indian under the impression that PLAN will sneak in to Bay of Bengal under the hood of sub deal.

From Bangladesh point of view, Bangladesh insist that Bangladesh will use Indian line of credit to buy Russian fighter jet. Bangladesh will only sign MoU with India but no treaty.

My understanding is China has so far 100% success rate of selling military hardware to Bangladesh. If JF-17 push is successful than China will win last three months arms sales tug of war between India, Russia and China.

I just perused the article and I found it be an amateurish stab in the dark. There is nothing of substance in the article which makes contradictory statements:

1. Chinese pushing for JF-17 & FC-20 (J-10) sale. Why would Chinese want to sell both of these aircraft?

2. The article speculates that a deal might be for 50 units. Thereafter it is mentioned that Bangladesh would want a technology transfer deal for assembling these aircraft. This makes no sense. Why would anyone wish to create extensive infrastructure for 50 aircraft? Where is sense in that?

3. Pakistan is stated to be desperate to make a sale, but Bangladesh is not interested due to Pakistani involvement????? I can't even....

It seems as though somebody just summarized their ideas without any coherence or even a jot of evidence. Any random article that has no source is worthless. What a waste of time.

 

[Blackstone]

@Zahid - isn't there lingering bad blood between Pakistan and what was "East Pakistan" that partially caused the establishment of Bangladesh? If so, then it explains Dhaka's unease with buying weapons from Islamabad.

 

[araberuni]

Didn't someone say J10 was on offer or that Bangladesh wanted J10 just a couple of days ago?
Either way I thin JF17 is a better fit for Bangladesh. It is a flexible fighter with good upgrade potential and decently priced. J10 might be a better plane but I don't think buying half as many planes works in Bangladesh's favour.

Bangladeshi defense procurement is no longer simply defense procurement. Bangladesh is tangled between India and China's tug of diplomatic war. BAF clearly wants J-10. However China's proposed JF-17 is to counter India's offer.
Most Bangladeshi defense procurement heavily depends on line of credit. China is the best supplier for Bangladesh so far. BAF didn't make a decision on JF-17 but Chinese officials ran product demo on BAF HQ. That's what the article interpret.
Bangladesh does have bad blood with Pakistan. I am waiting when BAF will make a call on fighter jets on june/july.

 

[Dizasta1]

China officially approached Bangladesh to procure JF-17

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JF-17 offer is a tit-for-tat for India's offer of line of credit for defense procurement to Bangladesh. BN's procurement of type 035G sub caused insomnia for IN and irritated India so much that Indian under the impression that PLAN will sneak in to Bay of Bengal under the hood of sub deal.

From Bangladesh point of view, Bangladesh insist that Bangladesh will use Indian line of credit to buy Russian fighter jet. Bangladesh will only sign MoU with India but no treaty.

My understanding is China has so far 100% success rate of selling military hardware to Bangladesh. If JF-17 push is successful than China will win last three months arms sales tug of war between India, Russia and China.

What an absurd notion! Whether China sells FC-20s to Bangladesh or not, makes no difference whatsoever on Pakistan or the prospects of JF-17 Thunder. Insinuations and rumors, nothing more. Pakistan has and will market the JF-17 Thunders to prospective countries. PAC & CAC are partners in JF-17 program. So whether the FC-20 is sold or the JF-17, there will not be any direct competition between the two aircraft.

Pakistan wishes Bangladesh all the best in their future combat aircraft procurement program. Regardless of whether Bangladesh is interested in the JF-17 Thunder or not.

 

[Dizasta1]

Such journalism deserves a befitting response:

1. Both JF-17s and FC-20s are designed and developed by CAC. China can and will promote both aircraft where it deems fit.

2. Insinuations about Pakistan telling China what and what-not to do with its foreign policy, is amateur journalism. Someone needs to go back to school and learn a thing or two about international diplomacy and journalism before typing a single letter.

3. JF-17 is a joint program between CAC & PAC. Whereby ramping-up production has been envisaged between the two manufacturers.

4. WS-13 engines have been earmarked for the aircraft. A little education wouldn't hurt bdmilitary.com, knowing that CAC incorporated a Chinese power plant for the FC-1 (China's designation for JF-17s). So "third party" engines are not exclusive to the aircraft, indigenous power plant is already being tested on FC-1/JF -17.

5. JF-17 Block-ll is already in production phase and Block-lll is under development. An "Advance Version" of JF-17s? You're kidding me, right?

6. For Bangladesh to gain "transfer of technology", a country first has to build the infrastructure base and some prior manufacturing experience. Pakistan didn't shout "jeronemo" and jumped straight into manufacturing JF-17s. We started small, with Prop-Trainer aircraft (MFI-17 Super Mushshak), the gradually moved to building a percentage of K-8 jet trainers before venturing into manufacturing JF-17 Thunders.

7. Let's make things a bit clear, in so far as Pakistan is concerned, Bangladesh got its freedom, became and independent sovereign nation and we are happy for them. Pakistan wishes Bangladesh all the best in their future. But there is no bad blood from Pakistan's side. We have reached out to Bangladesh in its time of need by helping and supporting them with aid when the country faced natural disasters. If Bangladesh still wants to live in the past, then we are sorry they feel that way. However, it doesn't mean Pakistan considers Bangladesh anything other than sovereign nation, and would always promote cordial ties with it.

Peace out!

 

[Zahid]

@Zahid - isn't there lingering bad blood between Pakistan and what was "East Pakistan" that partially caused the establishment of Bangladesh? If so, then it explains Dhaka's unease with buying weapons from Islamabad.

Awami League is a political party that stresses Bangla nationalism and always increases tensions with Pakistan.

The other major political party of Bangladesh is Bangladesh Nationalist Party and it stresses Bangladeshi nationalism. It has always had much better and cordial relations with Pakistan. Pakistan has always sought to improve relations with Bangladesh, and succeeded in doing so with most of its governments. Pakistan has often provided equipment and training to Bangladesh's Airforce, even donating aircraft such as Shanyang F-6 / J-6.

So, I guess the quality of relations between Pakistan and Bangladesh really depend on whether or not Awami League is in power, and how much it values Pakistan's friendship.

I do not expect AL govt to agree to JF-17, just because its politics is based on whipping anti-Pakistan sentiment.

 

[araberuni]

Awami League is a political party that stresses Bangla nationalism and always increases tensions with Pakistan.

The other major political party of Bangladesh is Bangladesh Nationalist Party and it stresses Bangladeshi nationalism. It has always had much better and cordial relations with Pakistan. Pakistan has always sought to improve relations with Bangladesh, and succeeded in doing so with most of its governments. Pakistan has often provided equipment and training to Bangladesh's Airforce, even donating aircraft such as Shanyang F-6 / J-6.

So, I guess the quality of relations between Pakistan and Bangladesh really depend on whether or not Awami League is in power, and how much it values Pakistan's friendship.

I do not expect AL govt to agree to JF-17, just because its politics is based on whipping anti-Pakistan sentiment.

I wanted to be in topic but may be I need to FYI few things here. Pakistan always interfered judicial matter in Bangladesh whilst court prosecute war criminal of 1971. May be Pakistani media does not publish news that Pakistani diplomat caught red handed in Bangladesh with fake Indian and Bangladeshi currency at Dhaka. In fact Pakistani consulate official was caught red handed in a car with banned JMB militant at Dhaka Bangladesh.
Bangladesh always wanted a civilized relationship with Pakistan. Since 1974, we had a very excellent relationship with Pakistan both military to military and civic society. However it is Pakistan who created trouble on and off. Until Pakistan change their behavior they will be isolated internationally.

on to JF-17, Pakistan cannot export JF-17 without the will of China. Hence Chinese were in Dhaka for a presentation on JF-17 and push for a sale which didn't happen. It may not happen in future.

 

[Zahid]

I wanted to be in topic but may be I need to FYI few things here. Pakistan always interfered judicial matter in Bangladesh whilst court prosecute war criminal of 1971. May be Pakistani media does not publish news that Pakistani diplomat caught red handed in Bangladesh with fake Indian and Bangladeshi currency at Dhaka. In fact Pakistani consulate official was caught red handed in a car with banned JMB militant at Dhaka Bangladesh.
Bangladesh always wanted a civilized relationship with Pakistan. Since 1974, we had a very excellent relationship with Pakistan both military to military and civic society. However it is Pakistan who created trouble on and off. Until Pakistan change their behavior they will be isolated internationally.

on to JF-17, Pakistan cannot export JF-17 without the will of China. Hence Chinese were in Dhaka for a presentation on JF-17 and push for a sale which didn't happen. It may not happen in future.

I have a feeling that you had written that piece in bdmilitary.com and you are taking umbrage just because people like me are talking about the obvious illogical statements made therein.

Take it easy. JF-17 is already a success. If political factors work against it in one of the prospective markets, then that has nothing to do with the plane's merits. By all mean, convince your government to opt for J-10.