JF-17/FC-1 Fighter Aircraft thread

[manqiangrexue]

Possibly so.

How was this conclusion derived? From what I read, in nearly every comparison, the result was either inconclusive/even trade-off or it favored the FC-1. The only exception was the engine and payload (which is a minor difference of 7 hard-points vs 8 and 3.6 vs 4 tons weapon load both in favor of the Tejas). It rated the FC-1 as superior in quality/price, weapons compatibility, BVR missile performance, radar performance and intake design. The Tejas is lighter due to composites (though this was already accounted for in the performance evaluation) but if there is need, China can surely increase the composite componentry in the more advanced FC-1 blocks. But I realize we are only evaluating the current state of the FC-1.

 

[manqiangrexue]

In my opinion, calling FC-1 the aircraft of today and the Tejas the aircraft of tomorrow is basically a very kind way of saying Tejas loses because who compares future aircraft to current aircraft? LOL That's like saying "If you hit the gym really hard, maybe one day, you'll be as strong as I am today... though I'm improving really fast so who knows what I'll be packing then." The FC-1 of tomorrow is block III; compare the Tejas of tomorrow to that.

 

[thunderchief]

So, on balance, Tijas>Xiaolong?

There is no doubt that Tejas uses (or strive to use) more modern technology . Main question is could India pull this off, could they finish this project with technological level they have . Aircraft is now declared to be IOC-2, but with recent announcements pushing serial production to 2017-2018 (most likely Tejas Mk2 , there won't be much of Tejas Mk1 )

As for JF-17, as a no-risk and relatively cheap aircraft, it is already success for PAF . It would gradually replace third gen fighters like Mirage III/V and J-7 in Pakistani inventory, and serve alongside F-16 . By the time Tejas finally matures, I would expect at least 100 JF-17 in PAF . Of course, that airframe is what it is, you should not expect miracles out of it .

 

[Mikeybikey]

Not to be mean but Tejas is a dreamer's aircraft while Xiaolong is a doer's aircraft. As that particular bodybuilder inspired movie asks "are you a DOER?". xD

 

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Possibly so.

of course ..... my dear friend of course ....
- An aircraft (LCA) with the airframe life of '1000' hours only is superior to plane 'X' (plane 'X' = any forth gen plane)
- An aircraft with the availability rate of '12%' for low scale serial production vehicle LSP-7 and 27% for LSP-8
- An aircraft who's average number of sorties is '3 per month' (for low scale serial production vehicle no.5); btw that was the max sorties rate achieved by any of LSP unit out of 7 units manufactured.
- An aircraft which has not achieve the all weather capability.
- An aircraft who is facing the water 'seepage issue'
- An aircraft who's fuel sys. is having design deficiencies
- An aircraft which is having the issue of fuel leakage
- An aircraft who's Jet fuel starter & Cockpit Pressure Transducer are having reliability issues as per 'Indian officials'
- An aircraft which till now has achieved only limited operational capabilities

is definitely superior to any forth generation fighter aircraft of the world .....

 

[tphuang]

Not to be mean but Tejas is a dreamer's aircraft while Xiaolong is a doer's aircraft. As that particular bodybuilder inspired movie asks "are you a DOER?". xD

alright, let's move away from Tejas and back to JF-17.

 

[Dizasta1]

Part 2Back to bottling my Grenache

Whoever wrote this article, clearly doesn't have any real knowledge of air warfare and combat aircraft.

In real combat, what counts is the pilot's ability to exploit the fighter-jet's full capabilities, number of sorties generated during war proportionate to the size of the fleet, the ability of engineers & techs to turn around an aircraft which is serviced and ready to fly into combat and last but not the least, the air force's ability to make the correct decisions at the right time.

Air warfare is not won by just calculating numbers, it is won by tactical planning, strong leadership, good serviceable aircraft and very skilled fighter/bomber pilots!

 

[Domino]

In interview given to alan warnes and published in AFM june issue, Pakistan Air force chief confirmed Block 3 would receive AESA. and dual seater JF-17 would fly for first time in 2016 and would fulfill LIFT capabilities of PAF

 

[Deino]

Whoever wrote this article, clearly doesn't have any real knowledge of air warfare and combat aircraft.

Like I already said ! The original source is "WantChinaTimes" ... as such no need to argue or even think about anymore.

In interview given to alan warnes and published in AFM june issue, Pakistan Air force chief confirmed Block 3 would receive AESA. and dual seater JF-17 would fly for first time in 2016 and would fulfill LIFT capabilities of PAF

However in all his recent interviews, reports or whatever Mr. Warnes is by now more an PAF/PAC-Kamra sales- and spokesman than an independent reporter.

Deino

 

[thunderchief]

According to the various sources , current radar on JF-17 (KLJ-7 ) has peek power somewhere between 500W and 1KW . Even relatively small AESA radars like EL/M-2052 have peek power between 3kW and 10kW . Therefore, main problem would be to fulfill requirements for such drastic increase in power consumption .