Japan's Covert ICBM program

Asymptote

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Japan's space agency considers using rockets with artificial intelligence
Adam Hadhazy, TechNewsDaily Staff Writer
Date: 21 March 2011 Time: 11:11 AM ET


Researchers in Japan hope to make rocket launches a smoother, less expensive process by equipping the next generation of launch vehicles with artificial intelligence.

In this instance artificial intelligence , or AI, equates to greater automation and the ability for the vehicle to better perform self-checkups, both pre- and post-launch. Once proven safe and reliable, an AI system could even assume some on-the-fly control of a rocket's guidance and operations.

"So far, rockets are merely automatic. They are not artificially intelligent," said Yasuhiro Morita, a professor at Institute of Space and Astronautical Science at JAXA, Japan's aerospace organization.

Morita is also the project manager for the Epsilon launch vehicle, the rocket JAXA plans to take big steps with toward autonomy over the next few years. The rocket is slated for a 2013 maiden voyage, although there is no word if the recent devastating earthquake and tsunami might delay the project.

Smarter rockets

Modern rockets have some degree of automation, as well as onboard sensors that inform engineers on the ground about trajectory, malfunctions and so on. But the setup is rather like a "check engine" light in a car that alerts the driver to an unspecified problem and neither offers nor implements a solution.

In contrast, data from various sensors in the Epsilon launch vehicle will come together in an electronic "brain" that, like our own, can then issue commands to the rocket's "body."

"The AI will diagnose the condition of the rocket, but it is more than that," Morita said. Should there be an issue, "the AI system will determine the cause of a malfunction," and in some cases correct for it.

One example of this AI in action could be the regulation of the electrical current that controls the orientation of the thruster nozzle. Where the thruster is pointed determines the rocket's direction, and a surge or other irregularity in the nozzle's electrical current can send the rocket off course. Applying AI in this way is quite similar to its use in electrocardiograms that interpret the human heart's electrical signals in order to evaluate organ function, Morita noted.

Epsilon's AI also seems to draw on NASA's Deep Space One probe, which launched in 1998 and was retired in 2001. That project stands as the most notable application of AI to rocketry, said Henry Kautz, president of the Association for the Advancement of Artificial Intelligence.

Onboard computer programs allowed the probe to devise its own plans for achieving goals set by human operators. Deep Space One took stock of its condition and executed tasks instead of waiting for detailed planning via remote control from human operators.

The probe also demonstrated the first use of AI for spacecraft navigation, which could help rockets reach their orbital destination for deploying satellites or maybe even astronauts someday. Deep Space One's autonomous navigation system directly adjusted engines based on optical observations of asteroids against a backdrop of stars to provide orientation.

All such systems could grant rockets greater flexibility in dealing with unexpected situations and reduce time and manpower needs.

Better yet cheaper

In other ways, the Epsilon launch vehicle, a three-stage, solid-fuel rocket, aims to cut costs and be a smarter, safer way to send satellites aloft.

The new rocket will have fewer and more advanced components, such as a lighter, tougher carbon-fiber motor case, than the retired Japanese M-V rocket that Epsilon will largely replace.

Fewer and better-wedded components will allow the rocket to be moved to the launch pad almost fully assembled. That's in contrast to current on-pad assembly processes and the many tedious manual checks of rocket systems that translate to launch preparations lasting a couple months or so, Morita said.

Once a typical rocket of today is ready for launch and then in the air, its operation becomes the responsibility of mission control – often a large room staffed by dozens of people.

By harnessing AI and modern electronic communication technologies, Morita said, the Epsilon rocket could eventually be managed by a much smaller team – perhaps just a few people using laptops.

Morita hopes that the cost savings pioneered by the Epsilon launch vehicle point the way for getting more rockets into the sky.

The budget for the first Epsilon launch is about 3.8 billion yen ($46.4 million), which will represent about a 25 percent improvement in cost compared to the launching of an M-V rocket. (The M-V actually costs about twice as much as Epsilon, but could lift a larger payload into orbit.)

The Epsilon launch vehicle is being designed for small satellites weighing 500 kilograms (about 1,100 pounds) or less, as well as low-Earth orbit satellites up to 1,200 kilograms (about 2,650 pounds).

Proceeding cautiously

Safety, of course, must remain paramount, and experts not involved with the Epsilon launch vehicle project are a bit skeptical of just how much AI should be relied on in the dangerous field of rocketry.

"You don’t want to allow any ambiguity in a launch vehicle," said James Wertz, president of Calif.-based Microcosm Inc., a company that specializes in reducing space mission costs and is developing a low-cost launch vehicle.

With this in mind, JAXA is looking to take things slowly and will not have a vehicle be the judge of its own guidance and flight performance until several years along in the effort.

Overall, however, the general trend toward greater automation and reducing the number of people needed for a rocket launch "makes a lot of sense," Wertz said.

"I imagine this would be difficult to do for very large rockets," said Panagiotis Tsiotras, a professor of aerospace engineering at the Georgia Institute of Technology who is not affiliated with JAXA. "When the stakes are not as high for smaller rockets, you could see this. But you have to trust the program to do the right thing."

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Now, I don't have any problem at improving efficiency of rocket launch.
But what this article didn't mention is that - the Epsilon Rocket with 1.2 tonne LEO payload capability is a three stages solid fuel rocket.


Now why would Japan trying to develop a solid fuel rocket when itself has one of the best and very efficient liquid fuel rocket program (H-IIA)??? On top of that, to give it advanced artificial intelligence??

All the civilian space programs use liquid fuel rocket because time to launch is never an issue. And liquid fuel rocket carries 10 times more payload than solid fuel rocket. The ONLY possible reason to use solid fuel rocket is for military application - to be able to launch the rocket instantly without fueling up (Liquid fuel rocket takes up to an hour to fuel up - again, remember - time to launch is never an issue in civilian space program since everything is planned in advance).

This is another step towards Japan making ICBM / weaponizing its supposedly "peaceful" civilian space program into military program. Adding an A.I. shows they are putting advanced guidance system into the rocket.
 
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delft

Brigadier
Liquid fueled rockets have serious advantages, as lower transport costs from manufacturing plant to launch place, less poisonous exhausts &c. Automating launch was realized in the old Zenith rocket. Whether this rocket had A.I. is a matter of semantics. So I share Asymptote's suspicions.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Liquid fueled rockets have serious advantages, as lower transport costs from manufacturing plant to launch place, less poisonous exhausts &c. Automating launch was realized in the old Zenith rocket. Whether this rocket had A.I. is a matter of semantics. So I share Asymptote's suspicions.

Liquid fueled rockets also take an age to fuel before launch. Not ideal for ballistic missiles. Although once a missile has been developed, switching to solid fuel would be pretty straight forward.
 

delft

Brigadier
There were rumors a few months ago that Iran was delivering Scud missiles to Hezbollah, so apparently the Israeli propaganda expects many people not to know the disadvantages of liquid fuel for military rockets.
 

i.e.

Senior Member
this A.I. on a rocket stuff is over blown.

sounds like this could be nothing more than your model based fault detection and diagnostics.

Long March launchers have some thing like this in the launch control center where a computer program took in all of the data from the rocket all the way from count down to handing it off the space control and determines what specifically system went wrong and recommend action/abort launch. the human controller then either gives the go-ahead for the recommend action or over ride and initiate another action.
 

i.e.

Senior Member
Liquid fueled rockets also take an age to fuel before launch. Not ideal for ballistic missiles. Although once a missile has been developed, switching to solid fuel would be pretty straight forward.

not really true on both parts.

UDMH based fuels are pretty storable. (although not as storable as solid) that's why first generation ICBMs almost all went with UDMH based fuels. liquids also tends to have higher specific impulses. which translate directly to performance. Moden hydrocarbon based rockets are also pretty good at storage.

As for switch to solid from liquid.
usually liquid fueled rockets to save weight the oxidizer and fuel tanks are integrated with body structure, thin shells. sometimes they would even have integrated fuel tanks - their body is nothing but a fuel bladder with walls mm thick.

Solids on the other hand their fuel-oxiders chamber is also the combustion chamber. as it burns the fuel geometry determines the thrust profile.

structures is different, meaning your aero is different, performance, control will all be different,whole design might as well start from scratch.

not a easy conversion.
 

delft

Brigadier
The first generation used kerosene and LOX, i.e that Russian rocket that is still used for manned space flight was originally an ICBM. The Atlas too uses this. Only the Titan and, I think, comparable Soviet missiles used UDMH
 

i.e.

Senior Member
The first generation used kerosene and LOX, i.e that Russian rocket that is still used for manned space flight was originally an ICBM. The Atlas too uses this. Only the Titan and, I think, comparable Soviet missiles used UDMH

true for the corrections.
also most of 1st generation chinese launchers/ICBMs most of Soviet/Russian lifters alot of their ICBMs including sub based . Ariane 1-4. used UDMH based fuel.
 
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Asymptote

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Japan sends Kounotori 2 spacecraft on suicide mission to study re-entry process

Japan sends Kounotori 2 spacecraft on suicide mission to study re-entry process
By Christopher Trout posted Mar 29th 2011 10:50AM

An unmanned cargo ship built by the Japan Aerospace Exploration Agency (JAXA) is set to go up in flames tomorrow in the name of interplanetary research. Along with a load of space station junk, the Kounotori 2 spacecraft is packing something akin to a black box, also known as a Re-entry Breakup Recorder (REBR), that will collect and transmit data about the ship's final moments. The space station's crew will activate the REBR before Kounotori 2 begins its final assignment. As soon as it starts showing signs of re-entry, the sensor will begin to collect data including temperature, acceleration, and rotation rate, and will then break away from the craft for a final free fall to Earth, at which point the REBR will dump its findings. Scientist hope the device will help answer questions about exactly what happens when things fall apart during re-entry. If all goes according to plan, the REBR will plunk down in the ocean sometime later, but its host will never be seen again... farewell, Kounotori 2.


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It seems Japan is speeding up its ICBM program. This is a study on re-entry of ballistic missiles. Japan is already nuclear enabled, has the technology to put things into orbit, and is just missing the re-entry phase to create ICBMs. Their current tragedy aside, Japan is a democratic country whose citizens have voted not to apologize for the Asian Holocaust they committed in WWII, their prime ministers have a tradition of honoring war criminals, their emperor, who was arguably their equivalent of Hitler (though they claim otherwise) was honored until his death, and they were crazy enough to attack the US half a world away when American did nothing at all to them except being a potential threat.

So now, they are not only developing and perfecting their solid fuel rocket technologies whose only application is of military use, they are also testing re-entry technologies, when the warheads re-enters the atmosphere.

Now, the only thing missing seems to be just the nuclear warhead.

I have my suspicion they already have a covert nuclear weapon program at or near the Fukushima nuclear power plant. I mean, why else would the Japanese government repeatedly reject / delay help from even American (supposely the closest ally) experts on site?? To deliver the nuclear coolants, or even rudimentary inspection?
 
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Sirf_palot

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Well now you have nothing to worry about since the plant is screwed and all those recovery efforts would probably hinder this program right?????? lolol

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