Japan will be capable of intercepting ballistic missiles of China?

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    Global Network Global Times: Japan's Kyodo News Service published the article on the 15th that, in addition to strengthening the North Korea's deterrent force, the Japanese build the missile defense system is also based on China's missiles of the war worries. Because the United States on China's military power also keeps a wary eye development, Japan's missile defense system it is building in the Japan-US defense cooperation in East Asia "symbolic."
    as known by everybody,Japan has recently conducted successful missile interception test, the Japanese media said was to guard against China's ballistic missiles, Japan's ability to intercept Chinese missiles, as well as concern about the outside world generally seek many changes.
     
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    Only surprise there is that they come out to say what everyone knows already.
     
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    How about the chinese's new stealthy cruise missiles? What system requires to intercept cruise missiles?
     
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    "Symbolic" is correct. Even though a test will never simulate a real war situation, when will we see a test consisting of more than one incoming warhead or at least ten. Probably too expensive. Because of the several cases of missiles slipping past Western defences, I wouldn't be so boastful.
     
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    It really all depends if the missle is intercepted in its "boost phase" by satellites in orbit/ABL system or during its "decent phase", where all its sub munitions scatter out of the rockets nose cone. Boost phase interception is very easy but intercepting the shower of warheads coming down to earth would be much harder.
     
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    True if you have an interceptor close enough and in time. But that really depends on if it works in the first place. I just saw a video of the Japanese test. By the looks of it, it wasn't intercepted at boost phase.
     
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    I admit that Patriot II and standard III is very effective air defense weapons, but too close to Japan from China, Japan's warning time is really enough? But China has changed orbit space technologies, to this point, the US also find it difficult, Japan's four King Kong-class destroyers, will be under threat during wartime - from China, such as submarines and 022 boats Wolves tactics, as well as various air-launched anti-ship missile.
    I think the most strange is that Japan has repeatedly attention to China's 094 SSBN, the JL-2 is not used to attack Japan, but Japan wants to guard against them, it seems that Japan is to do something for the US - Japan by the US security protection, it should also return to the US, this should be the US - Japan alliance agreements.
    however, Set to stop North Korea's ballistic missile Road, it should be no problem - as Japan's official statement.
     
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    ABM is still unproven, it has only a handful of successful interception. until it managed to take out a target it doesn't know where and when it is coming from in a random test mission. i am not betting my life on it.

    imo, worrying about ABM is not logical for China. it should worry about the size of it's deterence force... it's ICBM count is low for a country of it's capability and economy. China need a deterence the size of UK+France to protect it's huge economy -no?

    my feeling is ABM cost as much as ICBM to setup, so adding ICBM would force the opposition to mass up ABM too. making it a economy race which china can compete instead of a technological race which china is likely to lose.
     
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    Well,that China would lose any arms race in the technological sphere is not a foregone conclusion and simply said China has to be competitive in both ways (tech + resources)!

    Chinese leaders are painfully aware of the fact that even in the mid 19th century the Qing empire had a bigger economy than Britain or France but her military and industrial capability were completely inadequate compared with the western imperialists weaponry and organization. Of course no chinese leader in his sane mind would let happen this kind of tragedy again...:D

    The newest chinese ballistic and cruise missiles are thoroughly modern systems and obviously they have only to be deployed in significant numbers to establish a credible second strike capability against CONUS. The current chinese leadership does not want to discuss her nuclear strategy in public and is fearing that the US might be tempted to preempt her new strategic capabilities so they apparently decided to opt for a very covert buildup of Second Artillery.:D

    Nevertheless China has no other option as achieving ´strategic independence´ (somewhat less ambitious than Russia's aim for strategic parity...) since a China without a credible nuclear deterrent (vis a vis US but also Russia!) would stay a second rate power no matter how fabulously wealthy it would ever get!
     
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    China is only competitive in tech at the moment because the US has allowed China to create an economy based on "virtual automation" (aka paying factory workers wages so low as to be as cheap as highly automated factories the Americans could build for them selfs. Without the ability for the Americans to "borrow" American duel use technologies China cannot keep up in technology over the long term. Any prolonged cold war style contest of wills between the US and China would result in the communist party of China sharing the fate the Russian communists experienced in 1989. America could exhaust china in any economic contest similar to America vs The Soviet Union.

    Authoritarian reghims simply cannot move fast enough. The more powerful the government is vs its own people the slower it moves and the less incentive individuals have to innovate.

    To defend itself the Chinese Government has no need to build aircraft carriers or other tools that are built solely for the purpose of power projection.
    Purely offensive systems are inappropriate to defensive aims.... unless you are intent on forging your own separate alliances to challenge the dominant alliance system in place. It is for this reason that the US might ease off on additional transfers of high tech if China peruses a foreign policy too far in variance with US policy aims. Any restrictions of US tech would probably force the Chinese to fall behind again in military technology over time.

    At present the disarray in the American educational system below the University level is what is preventing the US from acting more decisively in this area. I would not consider the Caios in US education to be a permanent state of affairs by any means.



    This all depends on what the full meaning of "Strategic Independence means to the politburo?
     
    #10 Raptoreyes, Jan 3, 2008
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