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SamuraiBlue said:
Jeff to be honest I don't think JMSDF will settle for a half a$$ light carrier when Japan has the capability to construct a full fledged carrier today if she wanted one.
EMALs are not that difficult to develop for Japan since we invested a lot in Maglev technology. They just need to tweak the frequency inverter to handle higher frequency to accommodate faster acceleration.
Like I have posted in the past I do not think a light carrier will not be carrying any manned aircraft but will deploy and collecting drones from their pads. Once deployed they will coordinate with a flighter squadron that had launched from the nearest air base. The drones can be piloted from the carrier or from any other remote location via satellite.
The drones can act as decoy while the manned aircraft attack from the other side, defend flank side and/or coordinate a time delayed attack with the manned fighters.
You'll have a wider range of attack plans this way with more drones in the sky carried by the light carriers then just a handful of manned jets that can only take off with minimum ordinance.
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How are they going to pay for multiple CUTs though?
 
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Skywatcher said:
How are they going to pay for multiple CUTs though?
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political will and cost are indeed quite major hurdles. one can't say that country XYZ easily has the "capability" to build ABC only on the basis of the technology and industry they have, without also looking at cost and political will.
 
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Bltizo said:
political will and cost are indeed quite major hurdles. one can't say that country XYZ easily has the "capability" to build ABC only on the basis of the technology and industry they have, without also looking at cost and political will.
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A drone Carrier Battle Group carries neither the political nor the budgetary burden of a full fledged CVBG.
 
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SamuraiBlue said:
A drone Carrier Battle Group carries neither the political nor the budgetary burden of a full fledged CVBG.
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Wait, so how will stealth combat drones cost less than their manned equivalents ( and even if they did, the ones right carry less payload)? And even unpiloted, drones are still pretty manpower intensive.

Edit: and why not just fly the drones off a land base if they're operating in tandem with land launched manned aircraft?
 
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SamuraiBlue said:
A drone Carrier Battle Group carries neither the political nor the budgetary burden of a full fledged CVBG.
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Well, that's debatable considering we have no idea how much a useful drone carrier and drone airwing may yet look like, whether it's for Japan or for the US or for China etc. I don't think anyone has the technology to develop a viable and useful drone carrier in the near future yet, let alone having a suitable concept of operations.


In any case, I was talking about your "full fledged carrier" as you described before.

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Jeff to be honest I don't think JMSDF will settle for a half a$$ light carrier when Japan has the capability to construct a full fledged carrier today if she wanted one.
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SamuraiBlue said:
A drone Carrier Battle Group carries neither the political nor the budgetary burden of a full fledged CVBG.
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Political baggage is a rather shifting notion, seeing as more and more nations are acquiring armed drones and that their capabilities are increasing as the years goes by drones are no longer been seen as a trivial military capability, and they are getting political attention fast. The time has long gone when drones are just blasting terrorists in isolated villages in the Afgan-Pakistan mountain ranges.
As for budgetary burden that is even more controversial, while drones can do away with the costs of pilots and life support systems, that money is still needed in the software building and communication links between drone and controller which has proven to be just as finicky and costly. If even human-hardware systems like the ALIS is running an all time over budget, I highly doubt that a fully autonomous system will cost any less.
 
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Skywatcher said:
Wait, so how will stealth combat drones cost less than their manned equivalents ( and even if they did, the ones right carry less payload)? And even unpiloted, drones are still pretty manpower intensive.

Edit: and why not just fly the drones off a land base if they're operating in tandem with land launched manned aircraft?
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They do not require flight training like manned operated counterparts. One of the most costly part of operating a CVBG.
With less usage of the air frame they require less maintenance again one of the costly portion of operating a CVBG.
 
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As for budgetary burden that is even more controversial, while drones can do away with the costs of pilots and life support systems, that money is still needed in the software building and communication links between drone and controller which has proven to be just as finicky and costly. If even human-hardware systems like the ALIS is running an all time over budget, I highly doubt that a fully autonomous system will cost any less.
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Software is initial cost not running cost which is written in the books separately. As for fully autonomous, don't think that will happen for a while, but swarm concept has come a great deal of ways to be considered for actual usage.
Basically a pre-programmed maneuver following the lead plane. The lead will be piloted by a person in a remote location and the lead plane can switch from one drone to the next and another watching the swarm can coordinate the attack by calling out which programs the swarm will use. In other words only semi autonomous.
 
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Bltizo said:
Well, that's debatable considering we have no idea how much a useful drone carrier and drone airwing may yet look like, whether it's for Japan or for the US or for China etc. I don't think anyone has the technology to develop a viable and useful drone carrier in the near future yet, let alone having a suitable concept of operations.


In any case, I was talking about your "full fledged carrier" as you described before.
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It's not much of a leap to develop a drone carrier when you have the ability to construct a full fledged carrier.

I don't think Japan will pursue a full fledged carrier in the first place but don't think JMSDF will be satisfied with a light carrier with limited capabilities either.
I believe the best route for Japan is to develop a drone carrier that can work with the US CVBG or coordinate with the JASDF when closer to sovereign territory.
 
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