J-XY next generation carrier-borne fighter

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  1. Air Force Brat
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    So here our friend has finally confessed his 15T was a total fabrication, (remember his 25% overall weight reduction claim?) reality is finally soaking in, he's back up to 17.5Ts

    "no official claim, just leaks"

    my work is done here
     
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    I don't think even you know what you just wrote. It's nonsense.

    A big shrimp's word is generally the best evidence one could hope for on this forum. What evidence do you want? Western-published paper? Someone snuck into Chengdu's factory and took a picture of a ground scale that J-20 happened to be on? LOL Gimme an example.
    Oh your work is done here because it's 17.5T? Man, your work sure is easy, since it started at 17.5T and after your work is done, it's now 17.5T!
    https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/j-...rrier-borne-fighter.t8173/page-32#post-567202

    Read the whole statement above. Nothing has changed and nobody has admitted anything other than the original statement. A 25% reduction was discussed discussed a long long time ago when the only source at the time said that the then current J-20 is 16T. Mathematically, that is ~25% less than 19.7T; it cannot be disputed. But after that, since the big shrimp said that the weight rose to 17.5T in the final product, of course the reduction is no longer 25% but rather 12.6% (assuming very similar volume). The only pure fabrication is the 19T claim. The 15T is something that came from a wording technicality that I myself debunked when ougoah brought it up (https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/j-...rrier-borne-fighter.t8173/page-35#post-567394). As a matter of fact, it is you who originally could not accept that J-20 is lighter than F-22, pinning it at 21T and then saying maybe it's 19T, but now, you like 17.5 cus it's heavier than 16. I have merely retold the story, which you at first could not accept because apparently, it's beyond your understanding of 3D printing.

    See? I remember everything, Brat, and you can't even correctly recall a conversation 4 pages ago.
     
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    Just to be clear, my involvement was only about "product strength between additive fabrication and traditional fabrication", neither supporting nor rejecting the claim of 40% weight saving. Neither do I believe the 19 tons (dry mass) claim for which there is no proof.
     
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    Ok guys ... you are now off topic by a wide margin and in fact this quite strange duscussion based on super-speculative assumptions mixed with theoretical conclusions and personnel issues has nothing to do anymore with the future naval fighter. Just stop this.
     
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    No doubt J-XY will indeed use many new and innovative construction techniques to build in strength and toughness, should it be a upgrade FC-31, it would indeed benefit from better engines and avionics as well.

    So lots of exciting things continue to happen in Chinese Naval aviation....
     
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    17.5 is believable when you consider Titanium weight savings.

    As for the J-20 in carrier mode, TVC will help with slow-speed maneuverability. Moreover, it has greater lift at high AOA due to its body lift format (the J-20 should have 20% more lift when body lift kicks in vs conventional canard deltas due to lerx canard lerx delta config).
     
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    Thanks, I thought the "anonymous source" sounded suspicious.
     
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    Thanks, I thought the "anonymous source" sounded suspicious.
     
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