J-20... The New Generation Fighter III

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Player99

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You mean 2015?

Ha, you must forgive me for often confusing time.... for I firmly believe that linear time is but an illusion. :p And yes, within the framework of linear time, I did mean 2015!

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REALLY?:D Source?

Really! As for source, as far as I've seen, it has been repeated on two forums... and in Chinese of course. So if you read Chinese, use keywords such as “J-20批次……” to baidu for it.

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He mean the prototype number..

Hehe, but I did mean 2015...
 

duskylim

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Guys, I saw a picture from Chinese Military Forum where there seemed to be some sort of structure/device on the intake of J20-#2002, I will leave a link to the picture.

What do yo think this is?

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It looks like a green panel held in place by some white duct tape.

There is also a valve or handle (air data probe?) sticking out of the side of the nose just after the 2002 insignia.

Any guesses?
 

AssassinsMace

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It's just the intake cover.

I love how over in Aviation Week they're trying to decipher the meaning of two J-20s.
 
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Player99

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I read it days ago but didn't give it much thought. Now that it's brought up here, it got me to think: Yeah, they are showing all this to the whole world, but are they overstating or understating or just matter-of-factly showing the whole of it as is, so that others can find ways to counter/defeat it even before it is ready? Or is it actually less ready or more ready than people are led to believe it is?

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Awesome! thanks guys, kinda sad that our little sweetheart has moved, hope shes doing well at her new home. Ok guys, so will 1/2 of the flight test team go with 2001?

That probably nobody knows. But Yanliang is a test center (and an AF base?). They sure have their own test pilots over there.
 
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vesicles

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Well, based on what I understand about the Chinese govn't and Chinese traditions and culture, I would have to say that what we can see now is only the tip of an iceberg. 2001/02 are simply there for people to see, sort of a showboat. Think about it, no one knows how these planes arrived to Chengdu and where they were before they got to Chengdu. they just magically appeared on the airfield. This is especially amazing with 2002. Even with all the people camping outside of the airfield, they still managed to steak the plane into the facility without anyone finding it out. It only appeared sitting on the airfield. If they could keep it a secret when manufacturing them and shipping them, they can definitely ship them to a disclosed location for testing. That's what the Gobe desert is for? If they could successfully hide their 1st atomic bomb test sites in the 60's, they can definitely hide a small plane simply flying back and forth in the desert.

It might even be a distraction, to divert everyone's attention to Chengdu while the actual tests and whatever they are doing occurs somewhere with much tighter security. Isn't it amazing that they can shut down any website discussing political issues and certain corrupted officials, but being seemingly completely ignorant about what is going on on the web about their most top-secret weapon development program.

everyone keeps talking about how secretive the Chinese govn't is. This means the Chinese know all the little tricks of keeping things secret. Yet, why are they doing these tests in Chengdu, one of the largest cities in China? My parents worked for the Institute of Atomic Energy (Institute 401, or previously 601) when we were in China. In the height of the Cold War and during their developmental stage, the security parameter for the Institute began about 30 miles away from the institute. No one was allowed in and out of the institute without checking. Yet, in Chengdu, people can climb on the fence and take photos of the plane with the security people standing nearby...
 
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Speeder

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EODAS of J-20:

[video=youtube;1LGhfKTbeUA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1LGhfKTbeUA[/video]

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When is J-20 supposed to enter service?

Russia's RIA Novosti just reported that Rusian Air Force would receive the experimental 1st lot of PAK-FA next year according to Gen. Alexandr Zelin of Do. In friggin 2013!

What does "experimental" mean here??

Both RIA Novosti and Zelin, however, have shining track records right next to that of Pinkov though. :D

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Player99

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Think about it, no one knows how these planes arrived to Chengdu and where they were before they got to Chengdu. they just magically appeared on the airfield. This is especially amazing with 2002. Even with all the people camping outside of the airfield, they still managed to steak the plane into the facility without anyone finding it out. It only appeared sitting on the airfield.

Until now I have always taken it for granted that the J-20 (as well J-10) was designed and assembled within that CAC facility. Have I missed something all these years?
 

AssassinsMace

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David Axe is still attempting reverse psychology again.

I think it's irrelevant whether the J-20 was kept in secret or not. Performance of key components cannot be evaluated from the ground and from behind the fence in videos taken by civilians. The same paranoia over China today existed a hundred years ago. Nothing has changed.

I find it laughable they're in a stir that another J-20 has appeared. They're reading Chinese sites like this one and everyone has been anticipating more prototypes and they're still surprised? These guys are experts? The Raptor was around when they still thought the J-XX was a dream of Chinese fanboys. And now they want to somehow switch it around and say US stealth developments are a result of the J-20? They were going to happen anyway because look at how they think the J-20 is a technology demostrator just to show-off. How do they know how "the secretive" Chinese think? They don't. So how does someone figure out what the other side is thinking when you don't know or you're too arrogant to bother to know? You look at yourself and how you think.

Reading that Aviation Week blog it shows they were still in denial hoping that the J-20 was just a technology demonstrator. Now there's two they're alarmed and have to start building long range stealth bombers. Isn't that what the B-2 is for? Another stealth aircraft that was around when the J-XX was just a fanboy's fantasy. And of course let's not forget this is in part just to scare the American public into throwing more money in these programs.
 
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