J-20... The New Generation Fighter III

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jobjed

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Do you guys think that the landing gears of J-20 are kinda too tiny? Do the tiny landing gears indicate anything to its weight?

the landing gear isn't that small. http : // luckybogey files wordpress com/2009/12/f-22_1128jpg. the landing gear on the f-22 is around the same size, i guess landing gear technology has improved significantly lately. (remove the space and replace it with a .)
 

Player99

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[/COLOR]J-20 and T-50 will be cheap alternatives to F-35 in a near future. Arab countries, soon or later, will ask for stealth fighters and will have no Occidental alternatives in the market. Chinese build warbirds well and cheap. Is a question of time sell planes at markets US and Europe don't want to supply.
Pepe

Pepe, just to share with you what the more or less informed belief in China as to what J-20 was designed for and will be:

The J-20 was designed to counter the F-22, not F-35. It was to do so not by matching F-22's stealth, which the Chinese think has become a mistake to sacrifice maneuverability for stealth in a world where F-22 is no longer the only stealth one. China places very high (if not the highest) importance to manuvorability and the J-20 will be (Gasp) more maneuverable than F-22... and T-50.

So if one day it is to be exported, it would not be an alternative to the F-35, but one to the F22.
 

Air Force Brat

Brigadier
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Chinese amateur CG artists are really something to behold...

This was a CG of 2001 months ago:

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Now the below is 2002 – are you kidding me? See those “things” above “2002”? Are those gleaming green at night as well? ROFL!





I know it’s an only cosmetic thing, but it’s good to see that Chengdu designers ( I mean a small part of Chinese war bird designers) finally getting some long-overdue aesthetical sense!

The Chinese are just way too simple with that age-old “cheap, cheap, you buy” marketing holly grail. Some simple green lights ( if I’m not mistaken here) of 2002 would make it suddenly a breath of fresh air aesthetically altogether. It’s a good start, a baby step though. Why not try some sci-fi camouflage colour & design scheme for the next instead of those kindergarten-grade yellow-red-blue strips shown by the J-10 exhibition team?

And don’t get me started with that usual official Photography Teem which should be fired long ago… as I’m at it… I’ve rarely seen some breathtaking high qua high def photos & clips of J-10, JF-17, J-11 etc that are remotely close to most of Rafale, F-22, F-15, F-16 and Flankers out there. Wonder why JF-17 doesn’t have the best image in the export market despite being the best quality/price deal by far, and why Rafale, worth about $80-90m bucks IMO, could fetch $120m (of course Indians are not known for being brainy either)?

Why? Yes, one of the main reasons is that gizmo marketing does pay out. “Rafale International”; “Omni-role”, etc. etc. WOW! It does help changing people’s intuition and aesthetical feel in association of quality and degrees of modernity of and for them. So get some artists over, quickly, and pay the “photo guys” a decent hourly fee, darn it!

OKE, this “gizmo”, or better put “asaesthetically clever designed features”, extends as a lesson to most “made-In-China” as well. The same Wal-Mart $3-$5 jeans with a slightly better raw materials (trust me), some “asaesthetically clever design scheme” backed upo by a world-class marketing team and the corresponding fees…voila! we have 200-buck Armani!

BTW, J-20 doesn’t look that long in this angle, perhaps slightly longer than F-22/A that’s it, and it looks much more gorgeous and macho than seemingly malnutritious and underweight PAK FA to be honest.

Agreed, Agreed, like her looks, but Pak Fa is a little more aesthetic, prolly why F-22 has no canards, like Player says, looks like a butterfly, Gods own design. I do agree, shes not as long as it appears in some photos. Gizmo are position lights for night formation and orientation to other aircraft, series of lights to give you a linear perspective are extremely helpfull, when its dark.
 

peperez

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Pepe, just to share with you what the more or less informed belief in China as to what J-20 was designed for and will be:

The J-20 was designed to counter the F-22, not F-35. It was to do so not by matching F-22's stealth, which the Chinese think has become a mistake to sacrifice maneuverability for stealth in a world where F-22 is no longer the only stealth one. China places very high (if not the highest) importance to manuvorability and the J-20 will be (Gasp) more maneuverable than F-22... and T-50.

So if one day it is to be exported, it would not be an alternative to the F-35, but one to the F22.

The J-XX was designed to counter ANY possible enemy and this includes the F-35. It will be a cheap alternative to both of them. India and Russia are working in a light stealth fighter, but we have no info about a Chinese light stealth fighter.

Cheers

Pepe

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In my opinion, F-23 was the most pleasant stealth fighter and PAK-Fa has a lot in common with it.

Cheers

Pepe
 

luhai

Banned Idiot
If you compare the income vs the expense, there is still a minus sign. Anyway you don't spend all 2.3 trillion on F-22 and 1.64 trillion on J-20, right?

Precisely my point, perhaps what's surprising here is how close US and China's tax receipts are (2.3 vs 1.64 trillion) vis-a-vis the big difference in defense spending. The result can be seen
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, infrastructure cost way more than J-20s. These things contribute far more to the economy during peace time, though in wartime they are just targets.

As far as exports, that will be long long way off, if ever. Example, if the future is truly in UAV, when the Chinese air force finally is okay with exporting J-20 because they now have some fancy combat UAV. The countries that can afford something like J-20 would want some sort of UAV too.
 

Player99

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I'm afraid, Pepe, you didn't get the point... Um, I didn't make my point clear:

1、I was referring to the Chinese military fans' belief, not yours.

2、When the J-20 was first concieved, there was only the F-22 that worried the Chinese. Then the F-35 came out, the belief is that the J-20's designers and PLAAF watched it and determined it was not as worthy an enemy as the F-22. So the benchmark for J-20 was still the F-22.

3、The belief is that the J-20 is to fight the F-22 and to crush the rest, including the F-35...and therefore, the F-35 is already obsolete, and the Japanese would be wasting money buying this aircraft with China in their mind.

P.S. I am not trying to prove anything, as nobody knows enough to prove much of anything. I aim to present what many Chinese fans think or believe.
 
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Quickie

Colonel
If you look carefully at the main wheels, you'll see that the doors were not there (closed up). So it is the 2002.

Not really. The opened panels on the side are very likely the wheelbay panels/doors. The side-weapon-bay doors are much thinner and shorter breadthwise.
 

Player99

Junior Member
Not really. The opened panels on the side are very likely the wheelbay panels/doors. The side-weapon-bay doors are much thinner and shorter breadthwise.

Huh? Are we talking about the same thing?

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Guys, I picked up this bit about the J-2001:

At 1:30 this afternoon, 2001 took off. It came back about half an hour later. Before landing, it dumped lots of fuel, giving a magnificent view!

Around 4:00, it took off again.... And this time it never came back!! Then everybody on site left, leaving the wall climbers wondering: Where did it go? To Yanliang?

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that paint looks gorgeous under the sun and skylight

It does, doesn't it?! Can you figure out why the door panel of the side weapon bay look so thick?

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that paint looks gorgeous under the sun and skylight

It does, doesn't it?! Can you figure out why the door panel of the side weapon bay looks so thick?
 
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