J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI

[cyan1320]

This is a high-resolution version of a previously posted photo. The full-resolution version (2878 x 1324) is

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I'm surprised photos of this resolution are out, this pic must have been taken by an official photographer . I would have though China would be a little more secretive about the J20
If I recall correctly, high res and up close pics of the F22 REAR were not allowed for the longest time

 

[danielchin]

Could these be the LGBs once shown on the 2012 Zhuhai air show (Tien Ge series)?
I saw the photo on a Taiwanese media, but couldn't identify the original source.

 

[Hyperwarp]

Could these be the LGBs once shown on the 2012 Zhuhai air show (Tien Ge series)?
I saw the photo on a Taiwanese media, but couldn't identify the original source.

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Looks more like the LT-2/GB-1 -

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[Iron Man]

With J20s, AWACS detection ranges are going to be massively reduced, and with existing American AWACS not designed with counter stealth in mind, so it makes this strategy viable and maybe even effective.

Both the E-2C's APS-145 and the E-2D's APY-9 transmit in the UHF band, which no stealth fighter is designed to counter, including the J-20; this is the same reason Type 052C/Ds use their yagi antennas (except that the E-2 radars have far greater resolution). After all, what's good for the goose is also good for the gander. This all means that the J-20 will be detected at nearly the same ranges as a non-stealth fighter by an AWACS.

 

[Pmichael]

The Lavi was based overwhelmingly on the F16, and I would rate its canards research value as less than the J9 and on par with the J8 canard teethed, since as with the J8, canards were added to an existing design. Whereas the J9 was a clean sheet design incorporating canards from the offset.

You can't base a delta-canard design on a twin-tail design. That are two completely different aerodynamic approaches.

 

[PiSigma]

Hi,

Off course they did---. They had the israeli engineering helping them in all fields.

CAC had no experience with canard type frontline aircraft---. Suddenly from our of nowhere they manufacture two aircraft---the J10 and the J20---both very successful ventures---.

Miracles simply don't happen in the world of mechanical engineering if you do not have a history of manufacturing tier 1 product behind you.

Don't speculate if you don't know 611. My uncle designed j10 and j20 from scratch and many other planes. He started working on canard design since the 80s. There was no help from the Israelis or anyone.

 

[plawolf]

You can't base a delta-canard design on a twin-tail design. That are two completely different aerodynamic approaches.

You can, as that’s precisely what the Israelis did would the Lavi.

You can also add canards to conventional fighters, and there have been a range of such designs from all over the world, with many famous frontline fighters so converted, including the Flanker, Eagle and J8II to name but a few.

However, such designs won’t get the full benefit of the canard, which is why I said I rated the Lavi as being less beneficial than the J9 in terms of how much it’s design would have advanced canard understanding and tech.

 

[enroger]

You can, as that’s precisely what the Israelis did would the Lavi.

You can also add canards to conventional fighters, and there have been a range of such designs from all over the world, with many famous frontline fighters so converted, including the Flanker, Eagle and J8II to name but a few.

However, such designs won’t get the full benefit of the canard, which is why I said I rated the Lavi as being less beneficial than the J9 in terms of how much it’s design would have advanced canard understanding and tech.

It is possible to just keep the original structure and convert the plane into canard delta, though I believe that would be less then ideal since the load distribution of delta canards may differ from conventional layout.

 

[Deino]

Can we stay on topic - namely the J-20 - and not on what-if conversions of a single tail J-10 into a twin-tail type??

 

[SinoSoldier]

Fresh from the factory?