manqiangrexue
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Could you quote the specific parts of it that you feel would add to our conversation?
J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread VI
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plawolf
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Only people with massive axes to grind against China would spit on the SCMP if it was on fire, never mind give them anything to publish. Such people wouldn’t get remotely far enough in China to be part of any military project or even high end civilian R&D projects, as they would fail even a rudimentary security screening by getting flagged as massively likely to turn traitor.
It’s just the same echo chamber circle jerk typical of western media, all quoting the same trash piece from the nortorious anti-China, foreign-funded ‘free’ SCMP who are quoting ‘anonymous’ (read unverifiable) sources, with some childish extra put-downs thrown in for good measure by an author so specialised in military affairs he writes for a business publication.
Why you even waste time with this kind of cookie cutter trash piece is beyond me.
It basically quotes the same SCMP article that quotes Kanwa and is written by Alex Lockie, so that makes it an unreliable source quoting and unreliable source quoting another unreliable source. What is there to discuss?
If the reports are to be believed, J-20 sent shocking wave throughout PLAAF from big boss to pilots. Then I agree building new J-11B is a waste of resource. They should just create J-20/J-16 and maybe a small amount of J-10 plus UAVs.
It is a copy of the scmp article they all quote pinkov. Pinkov is the guy who promised if j20 is real he will close his publication for good.
It is a copy of the scmp article they all quote pinkov. Pinkov is the guy who promised if j20 is real he will close his publication for good.
Other little tidbits that seemed to have been glossed over in earlier discussion if those testimonials are true. It seems the J-20 *can* supercruise with its current engines, and if its sustained turn rate at subsonic speeds is comparable to an F-16A’s it might be even better with better engines.
For claims like that we need to be careful, and include factors such as altitude and speed. But as a general evaluation it seems PLAAF was very happy with the performance of J-20 even in subsonic speed.
Yes, of course, but nonetheless the comment gives us a general sense of the design’s capabilities and optimizations.
I think the author of the article explicitly stated that the J-20 can't supercruise per se but can reach supersonic speeds without engaging the afterburner. It can probably "supercruise" at low super sonic speeds like the Typhoon and F-35.
I'm curious about J-20's subsonic/transonic performance. How does it compare with other fifth generation fighters? Or with fourth generation fighters like the Typhoon and Rafael? Because if I'm not mistaken, "supermanevurability" was a key criteria in Song Wencong's paper. WVR is still going to be a huge deal in the near future. Thanks.
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I did catch that distinction. Maybe I should have put supercrusie in quotes just to be clearer. That said it basically sounds like with its current engines the J-20 has what is effectively the kinematics of supercruise capability within the confines of active engagement, even if that isn’t “sustained” supercruise. Either way, the point is with its current engines the J-20 can get to supersonic speeds with just dry thrust alone, and that’s no small deal.
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