J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

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I believe these are old pictures right? I'm pretty sure I've seen all of them before.

If they are old (and not new), it is best to mention it otherwise people will interpret it as "new".

They are recently released and not been shared here before, as far as I can recall... I have amended my original post to reflect this.

At this point, these birds have been photographed so much from all angles imaginable that even new or newly released photos look familiar to our seasoned eyes.
 

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They are recently released and not been shared here before, as far as I know... I have amended my original post to reflect this.

At this point, these birds have been photographed so much from all angles imaginable that even new or newly released photos look familiar to our seasoned eyes.

Thanks, and yes, the aircraft has definitely been photographed from enough angles that some photos might be mistaken for past ones...

However, at the same time many of us have quite good memories, and in this case I believe many of these images are merely higher quality photos of ones that we've seen before.


On a side note, the "issue" about "new photos" is that if we don't know when they were actually taken, it may lead to incorrect conclusions about the state of the programme overall or the state of individual aircraft at the point in time when they are posted (i.e.: the present).
 
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LOL even I recall this one:
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OK first images.google.com used to narrow the time window :)
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wow...
A six-frame J-20 photos, detailing open-cyclic lifting moment. Can see the deflection of canards and a lot of swirl, excellent aerodynamic features.....

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They are recently released and not been shared here before, as far as I can recall... I have amended my original post to reflect this.

At this point, these birds have been photographed so much from all angles imaginable that even new or newly released photos look familiar to our seasoned eyes.

Yes, and to give an Amen! to Deino, welcome back, always thankful to know that our senior members are still with us, and hanging in there. nice picture by the way, and it's nice to see these old pictures anyway, I never get tired or great pictures of pretty airplanes!
 

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According to this article J-20 beat J-10, J-11 and Su-30 10:0

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歼20有多强?曾以10: 0完胜歼10、歼11以及苏30
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五角大楼的2011年中国报告就预估,歼-20将在2018年“最终成为中国人民解放军空军远程攻击和空袭突防的平台”。歼-20采用了单座、双发、全动双垂尾、鼓包式DSI进气道、上反鸭翼带尖拱边条的鸭式气动布局。机头、机身呈菱形,垂直尾翼向外倾斜,起落架舱门为锯齿边设计,侧弹舱采用创新结构,可将导弹发射挂架预先封闭于外侧。据称,在大规模“红剑”联合演习中,歼-20在空军模拟对抗现役所有三代机中大获全胜,以10: 0的绝对优势完胜歼-10、歼-11以及苏30。但国际战略研究中心报告认为,歼20在2018年之前不

原标题:中国第五代战机歼-20

仅用了6年零两个月的时间,中国第五代战机歼-20实现从首飞到服役,超越了美国F-22和F-35隐形战机的服役速度,而俄罗斯的第五代隐形战机T-50虽然早于歼-20一年首飞,却仍然没有完成试验定型。

美国国际战略研究中心4月发布的报告认为,中国歼-20完全属于第五代战斗机,这意味着整机达到隐身技术、超音速巡航速度、高度集成的航空电子设备的标准。据推测,该多用途隐形战机可以同时完成空军和海军航空兵的两种任务——空对空作战和空对地作战,将增强中国空军部队的整体作战能力。

歼-20是服役中国军队的第一种多用途隐形战机。根据五角大楼的观点,中国视隐身技术为空军转型的核心组成部分,从而“以防卫为主的空军向进攻和防御作战转变”。由于隐身设计和机动性的增强,歼-20可为中国提供多种以前没有的空战选择和投射能力的潜力。

五角大楼的2011年中国报告就预估,歼-20将在2018年“最终成为中国人民解放军空军远程攻击和空袭突防的平台”。歼-20采用了单座、双发、全动双垂尾、鼓包式DSI进气道、上反鸭翼带尖拱边条的鸭式气动布局。机头、机身呈菱形,垂直尾翼向外倾斜,起落架舱门为锯齿边设计,侧弹舱采用创新结构,可将导弹发射挂架预先封闭于外侧。据称,在大规模“红剑”联合演习中,歼-20在空军模拟对抗现役所有三代机中大获全胜,以10: 0的绝对优势完胜歼-10、歼-11以及苏30。但国际战略研究中心报告认为,歼20在2018年之前不可能具备完全的作战能力。

兰德智库援引五角大楼分析人士的话称,歼-20兼具隐身和远程导弹,对美国海军部队造成威胁,尤其是其远程海上打击能力对于美国海军水面舰艇的威胁,远大于歼-20相对F-22的空中优势。

就歼-20是否能和F-22匹敌,美国空军参谋长戴维·戈德费恩曾表示,他只愿意拿歼-20和他飞过的F-117做比较,“驾驶F-117作战时,我会按一下‘隐身’键,所有的天线收回、座位下移以减小目标。F-117一旦进入战斗模式,就不会和其他飞机连通。”但戈德费恩将军承认,歼-20与军事网络相连,可实时访问卫星和无人机提供的数据。因此,对歼20应进行系统评估,就如F-35,不应该只作为一个独立的飞机来考量。

据外媒称,尽管面临部分技术问题,如WS-15发动机的可靠性、飞机控制系统、隐身涂层和机身材料,以及红外传感器等,中国仍然决定加速部署歼-20,是因为受到来自洛马公司制造的F-35的威胁。实际上,美国国家利益网指出,中国歼-20服役提速,在于对抗F-35,因此不可能直接模仿F-22,而且歼-20看上去要比F-22大,更可能是用来攻击加油机和预警机。

五角大楼向美国国会提交的2016年度《中国军事与安全发展态势报告》中指出,中国是美国以外惟一同时拥有两种隐形战斗机的国家。中国寻求发展这些先进的飞机来提高其地区力量投射能力,和加强其打击区域的空军基地和设施的能力。

“澳大利亚空中力量”智库的佩洛西博士和科普博士认为,歼-20适合中国在“第一岛链”和“第二岛链”执行任务。据称,随着中国“小平台大预警”概念的提出和发展,运-20平台最早出现的改进型号极有可能就是继续的空中加油型,并且有可能和正式装备空军的伊尔-78 一样,采用俄制标准的空中加油设吊舱和受油管。作为一款“重型隐形战斗机”,歼20可搭载的弹药数量明显多于中型或轻型战斗机,单次出动的打击效能更佳。出于隐形性能的要求,战斗机所携带的弹药内置于机身弹舱。
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Was there an expectation that it would be otherwise?

Nah, it was pretty much expected.

But, this article from ifeng is a bit of a red herring -- I wouldn't assume that its claims are entirely founded in reality because I doubt this sort of info would be given over to a non-state media outlet.


So on the one hand, such a claim/result would be entirely logical, but on the other hand, the source of this claim and the contents of this claim makes it hard to believe that it is "true".

edit: reading the ifeng article itself, it looks like their original source might have been the same rumours that were floated around here and on the Chinese BBS a while ago, which should rightfully been met with a degree of skepticism as well
 
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The question is whether it occurred BVR or WVR. WVR, it would be awesome because it proves the J-20 is capable WVR, which it would require that the J-20 be agile.
 
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