J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V

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plawolf

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I didn' t understand replaced a recent by a recent for me illogic. After this reports ?

The reason for suggesting that a J11 or J10 unit would get J20s are threefold.

Firstly, these high status units would have some of the best pilots in the PLAAF, and would get the best new recruits to ensure they maintain their qualitative advantage.

From all prospectives, it makes the most sense to have the first J20s being flown by some of the best pilots the PLAAF have.

Secondly, the J20 is going to be a quantum leap in capabilities and complexity compared to even 4th gens like J10s and J11s, so it will be quite an adjustment for pilots used to such advanced fighters to convert to a J20. Imagine how much more of a challenge that will be for J7 or Q5 pilots who only had experience flying 2nd or 3rd gen fighters.

The tactics and skills developed are going to be so different that it will take much longer to bring those pilots up to speed to handle 5th gen avionics and tactics, if they could even so fundamentally change their entire mentally towards air combat.

Lastly, location is also important. The PLAAF has a strong track record to deploying new fighters deep in China's interior first, because China is surrounded by US allies and military bases, and the US is engaging in a high-intensity, long-term spying operation all along China's coast with spy planes, spy ships and drones.

If new fighters are deployed too close to the coastal regions, there is a high risk that US survillence assets would get sensitive operational data about the performance, capabilities and maybe even weaknesses of these new planes, and develop hard counters against them.

The Chinese coastal regions are also much more open socially compared to the interior as a necessary result of the export oriented nature of the coastal economy. That means it's much easier for foreign agents to get close to those military bases without attracting undue attention.

The risks for foreign agents would be exponentially higher deep in China's interior, where foreigners are still pretty rare and far between, where even ethnically Chinese new non-native arrivals are easier to spot and keep tabs on by local security services because of the much smaller numbers of such arrivals compared to the coast, which attracts migrant workers by the tens of millions.

In the event of conflict breaking out, high value assets deployed too close to the coast could also become a tempting target for a Pearl Harbor like surprise first strike by an enemy.

Far in the Chinese interior, those planes could train and test with little risk or restrictions, improving both operational security as well as training efficiency.

In the event of a sudden increase of tensions or even outbreak of conflict, those J20s could deploy from their interior bases and get directly into the fight with at most a few hours delay compared to if they were stationed as close to the coast as possible.

In addition, basing them in the interior means they could deploy to pretty much any Chinese boarder with only marginally differences in redeployment time. Whereas if they were based on the coast, it would take them much longer to redeploy to deal with tensions along the Indian, Russian or Afghan boarders for example.

So, to sum up, basing new fighters deep in China's interior maximises security for the assets, while also giving China the fastest response times to redeploy those fighters to any potential conflict zone rather than just one. So it makes a lot of sense to be following that standard pattern.
 

FORBIN

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Good points

But unit can completely do transition from old fighters to a new, before transition pilots can be trained out
the unit lost her fighters and get after new.

Lastly, location is also important. The PLAAF has a strong track record to deploying new fighters deep in China's interior first, because China is surrounded by US allies and military bases, and the US is engaging in a high-intensity, long-term spying operation all along China's coast with spy planes, spy ships and drones.
Not agree, first Su-27 close Nanjing, Wuhu, Su-30 close Cangzhou/Tianjin, J-11B Anshan always close coast. max 300 km, J-10 more in the interior but not far than the 33nd Div.

surrounded by US allies
I don' t see it in a map.
 

plawolf

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But unit can completely do transition from old fighters to a new, before transition pilots can be trained out the unit lost her fighters and get after new.

Which they can and will do, but the degree of transition matters, especially for the first J20 unit. They will want that operational as soon as possible.

It makes far more sense to convert J10 and J11 units to J20, and have J7 and Q5 units covert to those hand-me-down J10s and J11s than to try and convert J7 units onto the J20 (I'm not even sure why we are even mentioning Q5 units. They are ground attack, and will not get a pure air dominance fighter like the J20).

Not agree, first Su-27 close Nanjing, Wuhu, Su-30 close Cangzhou/Tianjin, J-11B Anshan always close coast. max 300 km, J-10 more in the interior but not far than the 33nd Div.

Notice I said 'new fighter types'. ;) By the time those units converted, those types have already been in service for a number of years.


I don' t see it in a map

Japan and SK to the North, Taiwan to the East and Philippines to the South.
 

antiterror13

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"Japan and SK to the North, Taiwan to the East and Philippines to the South"

Japan and SK are not only allies to the US ... the US forces has a final say .. holding the supreme seat. If the US forces said "No" ... it simply no, whatever happen
 

FORBIN

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The mater is difficult and we get right now only it aircrafts # 40x4x but Huitong put ? ...
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And the 3 Rgts of the 33rd Div have these numbers... and 2 on J-7...other J-11/11A, Su-27SK/UBK
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In more no sure equip a Front line Rgt soon last time i have see here for OEU.

Exist some factual elements, link ?
 
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FORBIN

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Very franckly... almost no infos, ugly pics sometimes in black and white ... government ( military forces also ? ) don' t want or interdict to provide and finaly do bad publicity for China...isolated... it is all !!!
 
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