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we were just playing around a bit... so another teaser for our new book !
Hey ... no suggestions for changes or corrections ?
J-20 5th Gen Fighter Thread V
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Hey ... no suggestions for changes or corrections ?
Nice...very nice!
Well, for our SDF page, an overlay of the profiles, of F-22, PAK-FA, FC-31, and F-35??? remember the old medical books with the plastic overlays, as you turned the pages you would take off layers until you were down to organs/skeletal structure. I'm not sure that would fit your book?? LOL but I like the production style drawings that show how the aircraft are laid out in profile and through the various other planforms.
Also an overall structure materials analysis, we are seeing more titanium and composites in all of these beautiful aircraft
plawolf
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Bird's eye and frontal profiles would be amazing.
I think side-on is the J20's worst angle, as its very straight and flat in that plain, so you don't get the curves and angles that gives an aircraft its character and flavour.
A good quality head-on J20 drawing would make a far more visually arresting cover image for your book, especially with canards slightly depressed and weapons bays open.
Actually, I think this is a very pretty view of this aircraft, canards centered, very clean planform, you will note that the vertical stabs are rather smallish, countered very ably by the lower ventral fins for stability.
like the four feathers on some arrows.
can someone explain why the network centric F-35 holding advantage over J20?
I mean, the concept is AWAC transmitting and the stealth fighter would pick up passively. but AWACs would then expose themselves and liable to be shot down by ultra long range AAM.
i just dont get the network part that would give F-35 advantages.
I mean, the concept is AWAC transmitting and the stealth fighter would pick up passively. but AWACs would then expose themselves and liable to be shot down by ultra long range AAM.
i just dont get the network part that would give F-35 advantages.
Brumby
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Passive data do not have sufficient read to generate a firing solution.
plawolf
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It's just LockMart marketing generated buzzwords.
Pretty much every 4th gen, and most 3rd gen fighter flying today already have a form of network centric war fighting capability with data links.
The F35 is supposed to take that much further, but it's more an evolutionary step rather than an evolutionary one.
The focus on that aspect of the F35 is probably more down to its mediocre flight characteristics not leaving many other selling points rather than because it's network centric capabilities are expected to be a quantum leap ahead of its peers so as to give it a decisive advantage over other fellow 5th gens.
Ask me to choose between a F35 or F22/J20 to go head to head in air combat, and I (along with pretty much everyone else) will choose one of the latter.
The only reason I left the PAKFA out is because there are still unanswered question marks about its stealth pedigree, so if it's RCS reduction isn't up to sniff, the F35 might just have a chance against it in BVR.
Comparisons comparing individual aircraft vs each other are not very useful, it must always be done so within a larger air combat system involving multiple other air assets and force multipliers.
So, a comparison should consider two systems of equal capability in every respect (equal number and capability of AEW&C, tankers, support EW aircraft, support 4+ generation aircraft) with the only difference being the type of stealth fighters they had (such as F-35 vs F-22 or J-20).
With that in mind, a mature J-20 or a mature F-22 may well be superior in air to air combat in a systems approach vs F-35, where everything else is held equal.
But in real life, the US military will soon be getting a very large number of F-35s in coming years and even if F-35s may have a smaller internals weapons load than an F-22 or J-20 and even if they are a little bit smaller or even less maneuverable, they are still qualitatively very capable as individual aircraft by a large margin vs any non 5th generation aircraft. When those large number of F-35s are then integrated into a network centric system, it will enhance their capabilities even more, especially if it against an opposing force without the sufficiently capable systems of systems capability to offset the network centric F-35s.
Therefore, the reason why I think "network centric" F-35 is considered a threat, is because of the relatively large number of F-35s that will be available to the USAF and USN and even USMC in coming years, coupled with their extensive other C4ISR capabilities and networking capabilities.
So theoretically I'd say a mature J-20 or upgraded F-22 probably are superior to F-35s (when both are placed into networked systems with everything including number of stealth fighters are held equal), but practically speaking the large number of F-35s which will be available will itself be a major difference in realistic capability.
Brumby
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Have you actually seen any supporting evidence to make such a conclusion? We know from Red flag exercises, that the F-22 has superior SA and in every engagement it has been able to dominate. How it is able to do so remains unknown. There is no exercise conducted yet that pits a F-22 against a F-35 and so we don't know how each platform using the respective strength of their electronics in such an engagement will turn out. We know completely zero about the J-20 avionics capability. There seems to be a major assumption that the Chinese has completely caught up. I would like to see some evidence to actually support such an assumption.
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