J-15 carrier-borne fighter thread

[plawolf]

I think the fact that they got J15s parked on deck instead of having a clear deck indicate that this is part of routine training/operations rather than it being a first attempt.

For first time tests and even first time attempts for pilots at night ops, I would have thought they would leave a totally clear deck to minimise mental stress for the pilots as well as and potential damage and loss if something went horribly wrong.

 

[Deleted member 13312]

Not to say that the PLAN is cheating intentionally, but the operation seems to take place under a full moon, judging by the reflections off the waves. That extra lighting can sure come in handy.

 

[by78]

Not to say that the PLAN is cheating intentionally, but the operation seems to take place under a full moon, judging by the reflections off the waves. That extra lighting can sure come in handy.

Cheating by definition is intentional. There is no such thing as unintentionally cheating, or unintentionally trolling for that matter.

 

[jobjed]

Are you sure ??? AFAIK it's much larger and esp. heavier! Need to look when I'm back home.

I checked again and I think you're right, 6m is too short. The artist for the image below underestimated how long the YJ-12 was.

I compared it to the HQ-9 using the truck that carried them both during the 2015 parade and, assuming the HQ-9 was 6.8m long, I found the YJ-12 was around 7.4m.

Using that estimate, I measured the diameter of the YJ-12 and got around 50cm. Comparing this with the

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, I think the YJ-12 probably weighs around 2t since an 8.2m Club with diameter of 53cm weighs 2.3t and the 6.2m version weighs 1.8t.

Still, I think the J-15 can carry three 2t missiles if it's willing to suffer greatly in terms of range.

 

[Hyperwarp]

For the first time these images confirm that the PLAN is exercising night operations off the carrier Liaoning.

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Finally!!! Being waiting for this moment for years!

 

[Mirabo]

Cropped out a couple of gifs, because gifs are neat and shiny and we can show them off!

 

[A.Man]

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[Deleted member 13312]

Won't it be more likely that the PLANAF will adopt an improved CM-400AKG version for its carrier fighters ? I mean, I find the insistence that the J-15 can (or in some cases must) carry the YJ-12 to be somewhat shoe horned . The YJ-12 can serve as the Grand Slam bomb of all Chinese air launched AShM, whereas the CM-400AKGs with its lighter weight and smaller dimensions would be much more easily handled aboard the tight confines of a carrier.
Carrying three 2 ton missiles on the J-15 would be stretching it to its limits, nor is it a tactically feasible notion. The drag and weight would badly affect the fighter's flight performance.

 

[Air Force Brat]

Not to say that the PLAN is cheating intentionally, but the operation seems to take place under a full moon, judging by the reflections off the waves. That extra lighting can sure come in handy.

You're not kidding, during night operations with a full moon, you're able to see objects that are outside the field of illumination of the landing lights and position lighting of the carrier.... on the other hand with NO ambient lighting, your field of vision and depth perception suffer...

However, night operations are night operations, and most of us have a very difficult time judging distance and speed during twilight, and during a night carrier landing, I would imagine that you almost have "tunnel vision" as you have to concentrate on the carriers lighted visual landing aids.

It is however a very sound training technique to begin near twilight and continue the operations through to total darkness, this way the transition is gradual, and presents a natural progression as you transition to your lighted visual aids..

 

[Air Force Brat]

Won't it be more likely that the PLANAF will adopt an improved CM-400AKG version for its carrier fighters ? I mean, I find the insistence that the J-15 can (or in some cases must) carry the YJ-12 to be somewhat shoe horned . The YJ-12 can serve as the Grand Slam bomb of all Chinese air launched AShM, whereas the CM-400AKGs with its lighter weight and smaller dimensions would be much more easily handled aboard the tight confines of a carrier.
Carrying three 2 ton missiles on the J-15 would be stretching it to its limits, nor is it a tactically feasible notion. The drag and weight would badly affect the fighter's flight performance.

I agree, and the idea that you could station two of those outboard is really pushing the limits of physics... the article posted above comparing the J-15 to the SU-33 stated their dimensions were nearly identical, Shenyang did NOT mess around with the design, other than for instance construction the vertical and horizontal stabilizers from carbon fibre....

so the conjecture by some posters that the J-15 has greatly expanded load bearing capacity is a null,, just did not happen, in spite of the Flankers tremendous strength and load bearing, fuel carrying capacity, or maybe because the Flanker is already design optimized for maximum strength and load carrying ability

So assuming your adversary were as capable as the USN, there is NO WAY, you would compromise your range to that extent,,,, going back to the movie Top Gun, the Captain gets more and more agitated the closer the "Mig's" get to the carrier, a very accurate reflection of real life.. So a J-15 might actually be able to carry a YJ-12 off the catapult, but it is extremely unlikely to launch off the ramp with 1, much less three...