J-15 carrier-borne fighter thread

[Deleted member 13312]

If the J-15 could be coax into carrying a YJ-12 at all, it would have to be a very light weight version. An air launched YJ-12 can do away with the rocket booster that is used by its land based kin, but more work would still have to be done to reduce the weight down to at least a 1 to 1.5 ton range.
With the next line of catapult carriers slated to enter production, the J-15 can possibly mount a single YJ-12 derivative in the center line hardpoint with a respectable fuel load, like the Moskit on the Su-33(there are pictures depicting such a loadout), and the P-270 is no midget of a AShM either. But only one IMO, anymore would seriously compromise the fighter's flight performance.
Still it would be a very potent capability, especially paired with carrier born fighters.

 

[SinoSoldier]

Pardon to say so, but that statement alone disqualifies all other information given. Look at the size of the YJ-12 - it's not just huge, it's a monster of an AShMs.

A J-15 can never ever carry 3 of them and even less take-off from a carrier with such a load.

It is possible for the J-15 to carry 3 of them provided that the diameter of the YJ-12 is smaller than the clearance of the J-15's wing off of the ground. You'd have two long missiles jutting from either end of the J-15's wings but dimension- and weight-wise there is nothing stopping a J-15 from doing that.

 

[Intrepid]

... but dimension- and weight-wise there is nothing stopping a J-15 from doing that.

... like a racing car with roof rack and caravan.

 

[SinoSoldier]

... like a racing car with roof rack and caravan.

Yeah, but you can technically still do it if the need arises.

 

[Gloire_bb]

It is possible for the J-15 to carry 3 of them provided that the diameter of the YJ-12 is smaller than the clearance of the J-15's wing off of the ground. You'd have two long missiles jutting from either end of the J-15's wings but dimension- and weight-wise there is nothing stopping a J-15 from doing that.

Su-30MKI, upgraded for Brahmos capability, already required deep structural upgrades. Basic airframe just wasn't designed for such heavy single point loads, as well as stresses of their safe separation.
If you want to add 2 simillar stations under wings - be ready to redesign the plane again...

Not what it's impossible, just kind of dubious(purpose of such an upgrade). J-11 is a large aircraft, but it isn't a Backfire.

 

[plawolf]

Su-30MKI, upgraded for Brahmos capability, already required deep structural upgrades. Basic airframe just wasn't designed for such heavy single point loads, as well as stresses of their safe separation.
If you want to add 2 simillar stations under wings - be ready to redesign the plane again...

Not what it's impossible, just kind of dubious(purpose of such an upgrade). J-11 is a large aircraft, but it isn't a Backfire.

The J15 airframe would have already been heavily reinforced for carrier landings. A sideeffect of that maybe well be the ability to hang heavier ordinance.

The cat capable J15 may well have been beefed up further to give it better strike capabilities for when the PLAN have catobar carriers and current take off weight limitations can be relaxed significantly.

There would be little need for Air Force Flankers to carry such heavy strike loads, but for carriers, who would be operating without Air Force support in places like the Indian Ocean, having such a strong strike option would be a massive boost to their overall combat capabilities. So it may well be something the PLAN would be interested in.

Having such a capacity would also decisively set the J15 apart from the future stealth carrier fighter the PLAN is shopping for, which makes it seriously worth SAC’s while to develop and demonstrate such a capability.

 

[jobjed]

Did you ever notice how huge the YJ-12 is alone on a H-6G? and that one can carry only two ... so how should the J-15 carry even three let alone taking off from a carrier.

IMO plain impossible.

The YJ-12 isn't that big, actually. It's only about a metre longer than the YJ-91, which is 4.7m long and regularly carried by J-10s. The wingspan of the YJ-12 is also less than the wingspan of the YJ-91/Kh-31, which is 91.4cm whereas the YJ-12's is around 82cm. This means the YJ-12 should be able to fit under a Flanker's intake hardpoints like Kh-31s while maintaining adequate ground clearance, similar to below.

If holding them under the intakes is a bit too close to the ground for comfort, even the J-15's wings' inner hardpoints should be able to hold YJ-12s considering the missile should only weigh around 1.5t. For reference, the 6.25m Tomahawk weighs 1.6t and the 6.2m long variants of the 3M-54 weigh

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I couldn't find carrying capacity information on Su-33 hardpoints but the F-15E's inner wing hardpoints can hold 1.7t so there's no reason SAC can't manufacture J-15s to an equivalent or higher standard. If the YJ-12 weighs around 1.5t, which it should, the J-15's wings should be able to hold them.

However, carrying three YJ-12s of ~1.5t each means the J-15 is carrying a 4.5t combat load, which will cut into its fuel load. This conforms with pb's revelation that J-15's range with AL-31F engines will be reduced to a few hundred kilometres if it's carrying three YJ-12s, which is deemed not combat relevant nor safe.

 

[jobjed]

Su-30MKI, upgraded for Brahmos capability, already required deep structural upgrades. Basic airframe just wasn't designed for such heavy single point loads, as well as stresses of their safe separation.
If you want to add 2 simillar stations under wings - be ready to redesign the plane again...

Not what it's impossible, just kind of dubious(purpose of such an upgrade). J-11 is a large aircraft, but it isn't a Backfire.

The BrahMos is an entire tonne heavier than what the YJ-12 is likely to be. It's also 2m longer.

The J-15 also doesn't have the "basic airframe" of the MKI. It's likely SAC enhanced J-15's structural strength over the Su-33 and J-11B, allowing it to have heavier carrying capacity from the get-go without needing structural modifications.

A 1.7t point load can be carried by an F-15E's wing hardpoint (

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). I expect no less from the J-15.

 

[Deino]

The YJ-12 isn't that big, actually. It's only about a metre longer than the YJ-91, which is 4.7m long and regularly carried by J-10s. The wingspan of the YJ-12 is also less than the wingspan of the YJ-91/Kh-31, which is 91.4cm whereas the YJ-12's is around 82cm. This means the YJ-12 should be able to fit under a Flanker's intake hardpoints like Kh-31s while maintaining adequate ground clearance, similar to below.

If holding them under the intakes is a bit too close to the ground for comfort, even the J-15's wings' inner hardpoints should be able to hold YJ-12s considering the missile should only weigh around 1.5t. For reference, the 6.25m Tomahawk weighs 1.6t and the 6.2m long variants of the 3M-54 weigh

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I couldn't find carrying capacity information on Su-33 hardpoints but the F-15E's inner wing hardpoints can hold 1.7t so there's no reason SAC can't manufacture J-15s to an equivalent or higher standard. If the YJ-12 weighs around 1.5t, which it should, the J-15's wings should be able to hold them.

However, carrying three YJ-12s of ~1.5t each means the J-15 is carrying a 4.5t combat load, which will cut into its fuel load. This conforms with pb's revelation that J-15's range with AL-31F engines will be reduced to a few hundred kilometres if it's carrying three YJ-12s, which is deemed not combat relevant nor safe.

Are you sure ??? AFAIK it's much larger and esp. heavier! Need to look when I'm back home.

 

[Deino]

For the first time these images confirm that the PLAN is exercising night operations off the carrier Liaoning.

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