J-15 carrier-borne fighter thread

delft

Brigadier
However, those dead ends should never be considered as "waste". You now know what not to do. It may sound like a cliche, but knowing what not to do is even more important than knowing what to do when you deal with envelope-pushing on a daily basis. I would say overwhelming majority of the concept "experience" is composed of "what-not-to-do" and "failures".
It is even more complex. You learn what not to do now. But in fifteen or twenty years time in different technological and political circumstances it might become the thing to do. So don't learn the wrong lesson: it is always the thing not to do.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
It is even more complex. You learn what not to do now. But in fifteen or twenty years time in different technological and political circumstances it might become the thing to do. So don't learn the wrong lesson: it is always the thing not to do.
Not really delft.

You do not PLAN to do things over budget or outsied of schedule.

But you also do not let such things stop you...or cause you to stop trying to achieveto get ahead.

That is why the US and its research and development is so good...even kknowing that very difficult technologies are apt to cause over runs...they go about trying to achieve anyway. They know that the people, and that the customers will put up with itif, in the end, they make the beakthroughs and the achievements.

If the attitude is "never" fail, "never" go over budget, "never" slip the scheulde...then you will also never be the leadwer in technolgy and achevement.

So, as I sao...you certainly do not plan for it...and you try and hit the schedules and the budget forecasts from the start...but then you work hard and when there are slips you are open and honest about it...as well as what the achievements will mean if you simply keep at it.

For example, the Ford classs carriers are going through a very steep development curve...both costs and schedules.

But the technologies are going to allow for those carriers to have over 1,000 less personnel on them. 1,000 people for fifty years means that all of the slippages and most of the carrier itself will be paid for through the savings...particularly when you factor in the less overhauls that those reactors are going to need.

The Virginia class subs are an example of a program that is not only hitting ts targets...but in numerous areas is exceeding them, even though they are bringing new technolgy to the table in the SSN area.

A lot of people love to hate the F-35. But the US eladership, including the new administration, are not chopping the numbers down like they did on the B-2 and the F-22 when they hit hard times. And so gess what? The costrs are coming down pretty drastically now. The F-35A is now below 100 million each and will get very near, in current dollars, to the price of a new, modernized F-16 that they are selling these days.

So...if you stick with it...there is pay back.

I expect CHina undestands this.

They have a big mountain to climb to catch up...but I will be you that once they do, you will not find them being skimpy on their new development as they seek to not only gain parity, but to lead in areas where they can.

...and when they do, they will realie that they are not wasting anything. In reality they are investing in things that are going to actually produce savings, and produce a more stable future for their nation...which means it will all be well worth it if that stability holds.
 

delft

Brigadier
Let me give an example. Tilt rotors. XV-3 of the early '50's was a failure and with hind sight it is easy to see why. There were a few other projects ( X-19 for example ) that were not successful but when the concept was taken up again in the late '70's the XV-15 was successful. Then followed the XV-22 and the several V-22 versions. I think it can be defended that money was saved at the XV-22 stage that contributed to much higher costs in developing V-22.
The decision to develop three JSF versions instead of two, taken in the '90's was a mistake. The Marines wanted to have a successor to the Harrier but at that time it could be seen that the engine exhaust temperature would preclude use on improvised fields on shore. At that time it should have been considered whether STOVL was the right choice for use on the small flattops or that STOBAR would have been better. The choice made has extended the development time by about ten years and has made the other two versions more expensive. There were two objections, both political: Navy didn't want the Marines to have their own aircraft carriers and "Not Invented Here".
 

J16B MRF

Junior Member
Registered Member
The new Active electronically scanned array which would be equipping on next variant of J-15 is under development.607 institute is in charge of this program.
Just watch the news from accessible source .Military viewers in Chinese military forum and official message I have seen prove it to be reliable.And,as the opinions I have seen and heard reveal to:
The 'New J-15' (sometimes called J-15B)often compared with original J-15,and everytime this comparison happens,the development from F-14A to F-14D would be took as typical example.And at the this time new J-15 get nickname "Super Flying Shark"
 

Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
Yup Dafencao picked it up as well

According to AVIC Radar Institute, J-15 will be equipped with AESA radar of more advanced system achitecture.
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Architecture highly integrated antenna antenna to achieve ultra-thin, ultra-light, it is the design original intention and the ultimate goal. As a new generation of radar antennas, to achieve a number of key new breakthrough in technology, will lead to the future of airborne radar innovation waves. How to seize the technical competition opportunities, success or failure in this one stroke.

A few months latter, the design of the antenna changed and changed, the structure, power research has never stopped, overtime and meetings become the norm. Unlike in the past, the main design team of the antenna improvement is younger designers. In order to support a certain type of aircraft, I undertake the development of radar mission, in July last year, Zheng Ting led the organization of an young team with average age of only 31-year-old , Liu Jianhua as captain.
 
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SinoSoldier

Colonel
Yup Dafencao picked it up as well

According to AVIC Radar Institute, J-15 will be equipped with AESA radar of more advanced system achitecture.
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Architecture highly integrated antenna antenna to achieve ultra-thin, ultra-light, it is the design original intention and the ultimate goal. As a new generation of radar antennas, to achieve a number of key new breakthrough in technology, will lead to the future of airborne radar innovation waves. How to seize the technical competition opportunities, success or failure in this one stroke.

A few months latter, the design of the antenna changed and changed, the structure, power research has never stopped, overtime and meetings become the norm. Unlike in the past, the main design team of the antenna improvement is younger designers. In order to support a certain type of aircraft, I undertake the development of radar mission, in July last year, Zheng Ting led the organization of an young team with average age of only 31-year-old , Liu Jianhua as captain.

I'm a bit surprised that the J-15A (or J-15T according to some) doesn't already have an AESA.
 

SinoSoldier

Colonel
I believe it does, it just getting an "AESA radar of more advanced system architecture"...meaning a more advance system.

Was this explicitly pointed out in the article? I thought (as per Google Translate) that it only mentioned an upgrade to AESA (meaning that original J-15A/T do not have such systems).
 
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