J-15 carrier-borne fighter thread

Jeff Head

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Those are absurdly short working lives. If they are not used to carry J-15's or replacements they will still be fit to carry helicopters, UCAV's and possibly other aircraft.
Yes...they would be.

But it just depends on whether the Chinese wnt to get to six truly effective flett carriers...or do they want/need more.

If they want to get to six large conventional and nuclear CATOBAR carriers, then they can use them for 25-30 years and replace them sooner rther than later so they are fully uparmed with the more effective vessels..

Just depends on what they want to do and how they want to go about it.

The US ended the life of a perfectly good class of 31 Spruance class DDGs to get to the Burkes more quickly.

Many of them were ut up with 20 or even less years on their vessels.
 

delft

Brigadier
Yes...they would be.

But it just depends on whether the Chinese wnt to get to six truly effective flett carriers...or do they want/need more.

If they want to get to six large conventional and nuclear CATOBAR carriers, then they can use them for 25-30 years and replace them sooner rther than later so they are fully uparmed with the more effective vessels..

Just depends on what they want to do and how they want to go about it.

The US ended the life of a perfectly good class of 31 Spruance class DDGs to get to the Burkes more quickly.

Many of them were ut up with 20 or even less years on their vessels.
I doubt China wants to be as wasteful as US. Besides that decision was taken long after the ships were built. We are now talking about a ship inducted a few years ago and one still building.
 

Richard Santos

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I doubt China wants to be as wasteful as US. Besides that decision was taken long after the ships were built. We are now talking about a ship inducted a few years ago and one still building.

It's not waste, it's imperfect foresight. I think the Chinese navy will become increasingly vulnerable to the same thing as to Progresses from being decades behind and able to learn from other people's experiences, to being near state of the art in equipment and doctrine, and has nothing but its own mistakes to learn from.
 

Jeff Head

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It's not waste, it's imperfect foresight. I think the Chinese navy will become increasingly vulnerable to the same thing as to Progresses from being decades behind and able to learn from other people's experiences, to being near state of the art in equipment and doctrine, and has nothing but its own mistakes to learn from.
Exactly.

What some call "waste" is simply the actual cost of bringing a massive, high tech (and a lot of new tech) program to completion.

Some people who have never been involved in such a project (and I have) do not really understand what t takes to push the envelope like that and then try and hit the schedukle and budget.

Hart to do when you are dealing with technoligies that no one has ever put into production before.

With the Ford and the Zumwalt, there as been schedule slippage and overruns...but I expect that when you are doing the cutting edge. it's how you stay ahead of your competition...and it is not an easy thing to afford.
 
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vesicles

Colonel
Exactly.

What some call "waste" is simply the actual cost of bringing a massive, high tech (and a lot of new tech) program to completion.

Some people who have never been involved in such a project (and I have) do not really understand what t takes to push the envelope like that and then try and hit the schedukle and budget.

Hart to do when you are dealing with technoligies that no one has ever put into production before.

With the Ford and the Zumwalt, there as been schedule slippage and overruns...but I expect that when you are doing the cutting edge. it's how you stay ahead of your competition...and it is not an easy thing to afford.

100% agreed! I always use an analogy of treasure hunters / explorers to describe technological advancement. It's impossible to hit the mark 100% of the time when you venture into the unknown. In fact, anyone who has done any treasure hunting or has watched movies about treasure hunting, you'll know that you WILL hit a dead end 99.9999% of the time.

However, those dead ends should never be considered as "waste". You now know what not to do. It may sound like a cliche, but knowing what not to do is even more important than knowing what to do when you deal with envelope-pushing on a daily basis. I would say overwhelming majority of the concept "experience" is composed of "what-not-to-do" and "failures".

I dare say that those who never fails would be as immature and naive as those who has never experienced, not to mention it's impossible to find people who never fail.

That's also why only wealthy nations stay at the forefront of technological advancement. They can afford to "waste" 99.9999% of their attempts. And that 0.0001% makes them stay ahead of everyone else.
 
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