J-15 carrier-borne fighter thread

Air Force Brat

Air Force Brat

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B.I.B. said:
Parachutes are usually made from Nylon
Then again "Hit the Nylon" does not have the same ring about it. Besides your CSO might misunderstand the call and think you were referring to your girlfriends pantyhose.
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actually the first parachutes were made of silk, as it was the only fiber woven tightly enough, and yet strong enough to do the job of supporting the shock of opening, then holding enough air to slow your decent. maybe you could bring us all up to speed on when nylon came into the picture???
 
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B.I.B.

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Air Force Brat said:
actually the first parachutes were made of silk, as it was the only fiber woven tightly enough, and yet strong enough to do the job of supporting the shock of opening, then holding enough air to slow your decent. maybe you could bring us all up to speed on when nylon came into the picture???
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During WW2 when supplies had been cut off from Japan and other parts of Asia, manufacturers turned to nylon.It would not surprise me if have improved upon that again.
 
bd popeye

bd popeye

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I have a question.

What is the Maximum weight,with fuel and weapons, a J-15 can take off from CV-16 with? And what launch position would the aircraft use?
 
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schenkus

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bd popeye said:
I have a question.

What is the Maximum weight,with fuel and weapons, a J-15 can take off from CV-16 with? And what launch position would the aircraft use?
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We have a thread (https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/stobar-aircraft-ski-jump-performance-su-33-j-15.t8043) where blitzo posted a document (apparently a chinese translation of a russian/soviet document) with a lot of details about how the length of the take-off, the weight of the plane and the headwind influence the take-off of a SU-33 on the Kuznetzov.

If you believe this document, a SU-33 should be able to take off with its MTOW of ~33t from the longer 195m position even without headwind (and with ~27t from the shorter 110m position). If a SU-33 can do it, then the J-15 should also be able to do it.

The problem is whether we can believe this document, when most western articles about the CV-16 (and the Kuznetzov) argue that the J-15/Su-33 can only take off with a light load and the videos we are seeing only show planes with a relatively light load.

I don't think we will ever really know unless there is some official information about the maximum take off weight, or some exercise where the circumstances tell us that the planes took off with both a full tank and a certain weapons load.

Another take on the issue: Henry K (
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) argues that the J-15 can actually take off with 9t of fuel and 5t of weapons (~31.5t total weight) under most circumstances from the 195m position and with 33t with enough headwind (~25kn).
 
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FORBIN

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schenkus said:
We have a thread (https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/stobar-aircraft-ski-jump-performance-su-33-j-15.t8043) where blitzo posted a document (apparently a chinese translation of a russian/soviet document) with a lot of details about how the length of the take-off, the weight of the plane and the headwind influence the take-off of a SU-33 on the Kuznetzov.

If you believe this document, a SU-33 should be able to take off with its MTOW of ~33t from the longer 195m position even without headwind (and with ~27t from the shorter 110m position). If a SU-33 can do it, then the J-15 should also be able to do it.

The problem is whether we can believe this document, when most western articles about the CV-16 (and the Kuznetzov) argue that the J-15/Su-33 can only take off with a light load and the videos we are seeing only show planes with a relatively light load.

I don't think we will ever really know unless there is some official information about the maximum take off weight, or some exercise where the circumstances tell us that the planes took off with both a full tank and a certain weapons load.

Another take on the issue: Henry K (
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) argues that the J-15 can actually take off with 9t of fuel and 5t of weapons (~31.5t total weight) under most circumstances from the 195m position and with 33t with enough headwind (~25kn).
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Without datas only looking a video when you see an aicraft launched by a cat and a fighter leaving a STOBAR CV you see a difference !!!
5 t can be generous i have see 2 t seems few saying about 4 t but never see J-15 with FTs also...
 
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delft

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FORBIN said:
Without datas only looking a video when you see an aicraft launched by a cat and a fighter leaving a STOBAR CV you see a difference !!!
5 t can be generous i have see 2 t seems few saying about 4 t but never see J-15 with FTs also...
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That is the wrong way to look at it. An aircraft can safely leave a ski ramp at a lower speed than necessary when leaving a flat deck because it can accelerate in the air after leaving the ski ramp at lower than flying speed. BTW we have never seen an aircraft leaving a ski ramp after suffering an engine failure but that is the design case. It will then also drop its external ordnance.
 
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delft said:
That is the wrong way to look at it. An aircraft can safely leave a ski ramp at a lower speed than necessary when leaving a flat deck because it can accelerate in the air after leaving the ski ramp at lower than flying speed. BTW we have never seen an aircraft leaving a ski ramp after suffering an engine failure but that is the design case. It will then also drop its external ordnance.
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With few energy really, I don't think coz especialy if Chinese build now cats there are sure limitations ... humm.
 
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