J-15 carrier-borne fighter thread

[manqiangrexue]

Thanks for the information, but it does contradict Alert 5's bad engine story:

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China revealed the first fatal J-15 accident
China has admitted that a J-15 pilot was killed back in Apr. 27 this year. Zhang Chao was carrying out simulated carrier landings when he encountered trouble with the jet’s engines. He ejected from his stricken aircraft at the last minute and later died of his injuries.

I don't know about the facts straight, but in my opinion, it would be unusual for an engine failure to cause this. The pilot was on final approach during landing so the engines were pretty much gliding on fumes. Even a sudden complete loss of power in both engines should still allow the jet to glide its final distance on momentum. Even if not, the pilot should be able to eject safely upwards. Failure of the controls causing the jet to pitch up or spin violently at this stage where the it is so close to the ground would be a very likely cause of crash, especially if the pilot ejected to hit the ground, meaning the jet was upside down. That is not a scenario typically caused by engine issues.

 

[kriss]

Unfortunately, the PLA, for historical reasons, had drilled into its pilots' training that they should risk their lives to save their aircraft.

This kind of mentality needs to change. China has reached a point where it is easier to replace aircrafts than replace experienced pilots.

Today air force always tell pilots to put themselves before the aircraft. Though there are still pilots don't eject in time sometimes even disobey a direct order to eject (mostly to avoid populace area).

 

[longmarch]

It's said to be flight control hardware failure. Pilot was lost but aircraft didn't crash. The ejection pushed down its nose and it was able to land, though ran off runway.

 

[Engineer]

Thanks for the information, but it does contradict Alert 5's bad engine story:

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China revealed the first fatal J-15 accident
China has admitted that a J-15 pilot was killed back in Apr. 27 this year. Zhang Chao was carrying out simulated carrier landings when he encountered trouble with the jet’s engines. He ejected from his stricken aircraft at the last minute and later died of his injuries.

So? The article you quoted referred to China's own revelation, but China's own admission didn't mention anything about engine.

 

[plawolf]

I really really hate how the western media always plays it's pathetic games with tragedies coming out of China to score cheap political points.

Whenever China announces bad news, it's almost always phrased as 'China admits' this or 'It's revealed that China' that, as if China was trying to hide some dirty little secret that is only brought to light because of the heroic work of your western correspondents, when in fact it's almost always Chinese media who broke the story without the western media even having a clue before reading it from the Chinese! If those Chinese media and journalists are mentioned at all, it's only a contempious brush off as being state own or some other cheap jibe.

Pathetic scum who are too busy capitalising on tragedies and suffering to show the tiniest bit of basic human compass and common decency.

 

[Blitzo]

Thanks for the information, but it does contradict Alert 5's bad engine story:

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China revealed the first fatal J-15 accident
China has admitted that a J-15 pilot was killed back in Apr. 27 this year. Zhang Chao was carrying out simulated carrier landings when he encountered trouble with the jet’s engines. He ejected from his stricken aircraft at the last minute and later died of his injuries.

That's because Alert 5 wasn't even able to adequately translate their own linked Chinese language qq source on the page of the cited article.

"突发电传故障，推杆无效" suggests flight control system. In the entire article I see nothing about engines... so I'm not sure if the Alert 5 author is projecting or mistranslated something or just making stuff up.

 

[Blackstone]

That's because Alert 5 wasn't even able to adequately translate their own linked Chinese language qq source on the page of the cited article.

"突发电传故障，推杆无效" suggests flight control system. In the entire article I see nothing about engines... so I'm not sure if the Alert 5 author is projecting or mistranslated something or just making stuff up.

Another possibility is Alert 5 has reliable local sources like Big Shrimp or some others. We need to wait for more facts to come out to know one way or the other.

 

[Blitzo]

Another possibility is Alert 5 has reliable local sources like Big Shrimp or some others. We need to wait for more facts to come out to know one way or the other.

I mean sure, it's "possible," in the sense of probability =/= 0, but that probability is still very unlikely, considering Alert 5 doesn't exactly have a history of getting that kind of insider info from Chinese sources.
Most of their site's info on Chinese military matters tend to be Chinese news sites -- if anything, if there really were big shrimp info about the J-15 crash, then we or CDF probably would have known about it before Alert 5 did.
Still, I posted a comment on the article asking them where they got their info from.

But as it sands, I think it's very likely that Alert 5 had either mistranslated the original Chinese language article, or they've accidentally added in their own baseless speculation.
Of course, I expect that if other defence sites read Alert 5 instead of searching for the original Chinese language article, they will probably mindlessly regurgitate Alert 5's statement about engine problems instead of doing their own investigation, which might result in a "consensus" that it was due to engine problems, when in reality there is not even any original rumours from the source to suggest it.

 

[manqiangrexue]

Another possibility is Alert 5 has reliable local sources like Big Shrimp or some others. We need to wait for more facts to come out to know one way or the other.

LOL I can feel how deeply and badly you want to believe Alert 5. An article that can't properly translate its own sources and you want to suggest that it could be a big shrimp behind it just to grasp at the thread of hope that it was an engine problem caused by a Chinese engine failure. If a homeless beggar told you a Chinese engine failed, you'd find some way in your heart to believe that he was probably a big shrimp and a reliable source LOL

 

[Blackstone]

I mean sure, it's "possible," in the sense of probability =/= 0, but that probability is still very unlikely, considering Alert 5 doesn't exactly have a history of getting that kind of insider info from Chinese sources.
Most of their site's info on Chinese military matters tend to be Chinese news sites -- if anything, if there really were big shrimp info about the J-15 crash, then we or CDF probably would have known about it before Alert 5 did.
Still, I posted a comment on the article asking them where they got their info from.

But as it sands, I think it's very likely that Alert 5 had either mistranslated the original Chinese language article, or they've accidentally added in their own baseless speculation.
Of course, I expect that if other defence sites read Alert 5 instead of searching for the original Chinese language article, they will probably mindlessly regurgitate Alert 5's statement about engine problems instead of doing their own investigation, which might result in a "consensus" that it was due to engine problems, when in reality there is not even any original rumours from the source to suggest it.

And that's the other side of the coin. Definitely possible, and maybe more than that. Let's wait for more facts to come out.