J-10 Thread IV

[Quickie]

Doesn’t mean much given that the PLAAF pilots would also be forbidden from pushing their planes to the limit for the same reasons. If anything, the Chinese military has a lot more to lose intelligence wise.

I recall that the Gripen is susceptible to stalling during a hard maneuver. I can recall the Gripen crashing on at least 2 occasions due to such a problem, one of them belonging to the Thailand airforce which happened quite recently.

This could be the reason why the Gripen was not pushed in its maneuver in the exercise mentioned above.

 

[Pmichael]

Because of a spatial disorientation of the pilot?

 

[Quickie]

Because of a spatial disorientation of the pilot?

That's what the manufacturer would like to have you believe. Look at how the aircraft dip down right after the hard maneuver in that video.

Prior to this crash, there have been at least 3 crashes related to the aircraft stalling during a maneuver.

The investigation is still ongoing. That's why the TRAF has not decided on continuing to acquire more of the Gripen.

 

[antiterror13]

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J-10C from Southern Theater Red Eagle Brigade and KJ-500 in Udorn Thailand, participating joint Sino-Thai exercise
Falcon Strike 2019.TAF Griffin and Erieye would be their opposite.

J10C+KJ500 VS JAS39C+Erieye, how exciting.

In real scenario, there is no chance JAS39C + Erieye (that Thai has) would win against J-10C + KJ500 ... just different league of technology

 

[Pmichael]

That's what the manufacturer would like to have you believe. Look at how the aircraft dip down right after the hard maneuver in that video.

Prior to this crash, there have been at least 3 crashes related to the aircraft stalling during a maneuver.

The investigation is still ongoing. That's why the TRAF has not decided on continuing to acquire more of the Gripen.

I just went through the crashes and that claim sounds rather baseless.

And if an aircraft stalls after such a simple maneuver then it wouldn't fly at all.

 

[Derpy]

That's what the manufacturer would like to have you believe. Look at how the aircraft dip down right after the hard maneuver in that video.

Prior to this crash, there have been at least 3 crashes related to the aircraft stalling during a maneuver.

The investigation is still ongoing. That's why the TRAF has not decided on continuing to acquire more of the Gripen.

It just takes a second of disorientation at those speeds and altitudes before you are in trouble, given the ridiquilus roll rate of the Gripen its not hard to see it happening.

 

[Brumby]

In real scenario, there is no chance JAS39C + Erieye (that Thai has) would win against J-10C + KJ500 ... just different league of technology

Please elaborate.

 

[MastanKhan]

I recall that the Gripen is susceptible to stalling during a hard maneuver. I can recall the Gripen crashing on at least 2 occasions due to such a problem, one of them belonging to the Thailand airforce which happened quite recently.

This could be the reason why the Gripen was not pushed in its maneuver in the exercise mentioned above.

Hi,

Looks like critical structural failure barely going into the turn--.

 

[Air Force Brat]

I just went through the crashes and that claim sounds rather baseless.

And if an aircraft stalls after such a simple maneuver then it wouldn't fly at all.

You're right of course, he did NOT depart the aircraft, he was probably round 300 to 350knts indicated, he made a very hard pulling left bank off the air show line, possibly greying or blacking out? we don't know, but he lost situational awareness and flew the airplane into the ground in an attempt to recover the aircraft.

He was not attempting slow, high angle of attack flight, he had plenty of speed, he unfortunately just "lost" the airplane, it happens far more often than you might realize, and its very easy to do, even with all the good stuff and fly by wire..

Now the Fly by Wire did have some early issues, but those have been resolved, this is a very safe high performance aircraft, but it is a 4th Gen, not a 5th Gen.

I'd say the J-10 and the J-39 Gripen are very capable and comparable aircraft, it would be hard to assign an advantage to either one?

 

[Air Force Brat]

Hi,

Looks like critical structural failure barely going into the turn--.

I don't think so, if there were structural failure the whole J-39 Gripen world would have been talking about it, and we would have been talking about it. I will say he does loose the airplane rather dramatically, likely overpitching once he lost situational awareness.
It's almost impossible not to keep pulling back on that stick when you are pulling G's, you have to be very careful.

There are NO aerodynamic forces, nor even actual control forces in FBW, there are springs, etc, to give you some sense of feel for what you are doing "on" the stick, that is all. you can fly it with three fingers on the stick, and that's how you should fly it most of the time.