J-10 Thread IV

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    [Just saying I may be guilty of digressing here. I will stop after this one comment.]

    One thing about the Iranians is they are picky as hell and usually prefer western stuff, either military equipment or civilian products. My first-hand and second-hand experiences are they have a not-very-explict contempt/distaste for Chinese tech products, although those are often their only choice.

    Look at their attempt to build wacky F-5 derivatives. Frankly if they want to domestically build JF-17s, that can very well be arranged. At least there was such a time window before the sactions kicked in again. But no. They'd rather mostly focus on their existing systems.

    The article also quoted a Taiwanese semi-tabloid that is, on the upside, usually willing to publish military news but on the other hand notorious for sensational and inaccurate reporting. Not really credible. And according to Wikipedia (yes), spokesman of the PRC foreign ministry actually refuted that piece of news:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_Republic_of_Iran_Air_Force#J-10
     
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    Fighter aircraft are always hand made at the beginning. What happens is that manufacturing processes are improved/developed as time goes on.

    And do the Russians have the production volumes to support the investment in manufacturing?

    And how many billions does a new single engine stealth fighter programme cost?

    The Russian economy and military budget will struggle to support this.

    I don't see a pressing requirement for additional J-10 to replace the remaining Q-5 and J-7. Additional J-10s don't really add much in a high intensity conflict where air superiority is contested. J-10s are just too vulnerable to opposing stealth fighters.

    Hence my view that Chengdu should wind down J-10 production faster to free up resources for the J-20.

    J-16 production is still fine as it fulfils a strike role.
     
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    Think about what you're proposing.

    The Su-57 still needs development, and Russia is struggling to complete its development, now that India has pulled its funds from the programme.

    So shouldn't scarce develoment funding be directed to the Su-57, given that it is the most useful stealth aircraft programme.

    Remember that the Russian economy is some 5x to 12x smaller (depending on how you measure it) than either China or the USA
     
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    Guys ... once again ! Leave out these off-topic discussions: Russia's issues, the Su-57 and anything in regard to a general discussion on stealth projects is OFF-TOPIC.
     
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    The J-10C of the 131st Brigade conducted an exercise of live fire on the Tibetan plateau. Some targets used look like armored vehicles, like tanks for example.

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    I love the J-10 but really the payload is mediocre at best (compared to the F-16).

    Also are those laser-guided bombs in the first pic?

     
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    Yup. Actually the entire sequence shows the usage of LGBs (I think they are 2x LS-500J)
     
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    Not entirely correct, these are the newer ones with a proportional navigation seeker. So far I only know its export designation GB500.

    http://chinese-military-aviation.blogspot.com/p/missiles-iii.html
     
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    Interesting. The blog however does not mention it is an export designation though, but I can see since it makes sense to English speakers ("GB" = "Guided Bomb"?) instead of keeping in line with Chinese Pinyin connotations, it is indeed very likely to be named for export.
     
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