J-10 Thread IV

[ougoah]

PAF will acquire J-10 B, C or D whatever it is called with indigenous engine. It is just matter of time. There is many reasons for it. One main reason is PAF F-16s are again in trouble water as history is repeating itself, not sure if spare parts will have continuous supply from USA. Also the number of F-16 PAF planned has not full filled and there is very bleak or almost no chance that PAF can acquire more. Previously PAF was hesitant due to engine choke problem of AL-31F. Also it do not want to be hostage or take risks of single Russian source for all of its engines supply. So J-10 with indigenous chinese engine are second bests what PAF can acquire or afford for the time being.

That would be like a country buying an F-15 and then buying a Su-35. Why would anyone want another line of fourth gen fighters. When they could upgrade JF-17 to meet most of the requirements. What does J-10 offer that is so much more than JF-17 and F-16? Rather than investing all that money into yet another (third) single engined fourth gen platform, why not invest that money into FC-31. That would be good for SAC and China too.

 

[araberuni]

That would be like a country buying an F-15 and then buying a Su-35. Why would anyone want another line of fourth gen fighters. When they could upgrade JF-17 to meet most of the requirements. What does J-10 offer that is so much more than JF-17 and F-16? Rather than investing all that money into yet another (third) single engined fourth gen platform, why not invest that money into FC-31. That would be good for SAC and China too.

Southasia and Southeast Asian skies are now contested heaviliy. A fully configured J-10C can engage in an airborne version of the street fight before the heavy fighter jet arrives and delivers KO punch. JF-17 is good but not good for heavily contested sky. F-16 A/B is like an old man trying to pretend younger man wearing a new pair of jeans. So yes J-10C or J-10D if available in the future--will be a national asset for Air Force like PAF and BAF.

 

[ougoah]

What heavy fighter? If J-10 goes into PAF, it'll be PAF's heaviest fighter. They won't be getting both J-10 and FC-31. Much too expensive and still a waste of funds. JF-17 equipped with upgraded sensors and latest weapons can do J-10's job. Pakistan doesn't need the slightly longer legs of J-10. What they will need is better and more AWACs and electronic warfare dedicated planes and MAYBE FC-31 to counter India's Su-57 (FGFA), Rafales, and whatever they end up getting. Buying J-10 will be like burning your money. CAC will love it though.

 

[antiterror13]

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[Deino]

Guys ... can you leave these specific PAF and/or Bangladeshi AF-related pros and cons and if or if not a heavy weight is needed out of THIS thread and discuss that in the specific Pakistan and Bangladesh threads?

Deino

 

[Hendrik_2000]

Has this photo been posted before? Nice shot
J-10B carrying KG700 ECM pod, PL-8, PL-12 & drop tanks takes off.
Seem like J10 with the whole work. What is it on the far left? Dummy missile?

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

What most pakistani kids don't realize is that---their air force has about 180 automatic assault rifles ( the F16's and the JF17's )---but then they also have a large number of BOLT ACTION rifles around 200 +---( the Mirages and the F7's ).

These kids---as they have no combat experience---have no understanding what immediate effects 380 automatic rifles would bring to the arena---meaning if another 200 4th + 4.5 aircraft were inducted on a fastrak---.

Their reply most often is " it brings nothing new to the table "---which means they have no concept of the difference of fire power between a bolt action rifle ( the mirages and the F7's ) and an automatic assault rifle ( the J10's etc )---.

 

[asif iqbal]

Interesting ECM pod KG700 carried on wide scale on Chinese fighters now

J16
J10B
J10C
J11B

KG600/700 and KG800 on JH-7A

 

[Ariana]

Any more information about KG-700?

 

[ougoah]

Hi,

What most pakistani kids don't realize is that---their air force has about 180 automatic assault rifles ( the F16's and the JF17's )---but then they also have a large number of BOLT ACTION rifles around 200 +---( the Mirages and the F7's ).

These kids---as they have no combat experience---have no understanding what immediate effects 380 automatic rifles would bring to the arena---meaning if another 200 4th + 4.5 aircraft were inducted on a fastrak---.

Their reply most often is " it brings nothing new to the table "---which means they have no concept of the difference of fire power between a bolt action rifle ( the mirages and the F7's ) and an automatic assault rifle ( the J10's etc )---.

Well using your analogy, getting J-10s would be akin to buying a new line of assault rifle. While that does increase the total number of assault rifles in the inventory, they could have just bought more JF-17s etc. Meaning the military needs to diversify resources into financing and maintaining three models of assault rifles that all pretty much do similar jobs. Why not modify one of the existing two so that it can be a little more multipurpose and then use the funds for the third assault rifle and buy some shotguns, snipers, etc...

J-10 is not going to be that much better than F-16 or JF-17. When it gets to PAF, other nations will have F-35s, Su-57s, and equally capable if not more capable 4.5 gen fighters as well. Investing into J-31 makes much more sense than buying a 30 years old design in the J-10. While the J-10 is certainly good enough, it just doesn't make any sense for PAF and I really doubt we'll ever see J-10 in PAF. It's too late for that.