J-10 Thread IV

siegecrossbow

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Are these from a film? I ask because the aspect ratio seems to be from a movie. If so, how can I get my hands on it?

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Might be from a documentary or the upcoming Sky Hunter movie.
 

tidalwave

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J10 scare no one therefore it's a waste of money

Likewise for 054, 056 , they waste a lot of money on things that don't change the perception or change strategic equation.
 
J10 scare no one therefore it's a waste of money

Likewise for 054, 056 , they waste a lot of money on things that don't change the perception or change strategic equation.
J-10 is a capable and highly cost effective platform, it excels in its role and is a critical component of China's air defense network. China has a very large air space and long borders, so there is need for large quantities of air defense fighters (J-10 project began as primarily a J-6 replacement, initially). Operating in such role, J-10s supported by ground based radars and air defense network and systems and flying with a load out optimized for local air superiority are more than a match for larger and much more expensive aircraft attempting to penetrate Chinese airspace. More importantly, China wants to refute, rather than fan the flames of the China threat theory. Smaller, shorter range fighters are more defensive in nature, and are perceived as such by others. China's priority is not to threaten other nations, but to instead have a credible deterrence in order to protect both Chinese territories and interests. China's military doctrine is still primarily defensive in nature: the only change is that defense is being pushed out to further and further ranges, so that threats can be engaged and neutralized before they can threaten the Chinese homeland. Even the J-20 fits in as part of this overarching doctrine.
 

tidalwave

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A waste for whom ? ... and second, the J-10 is NOT using the AL-31F but the FN and the latest B/C-models even the uprated FN Series 3.

As such I don't know what's Your complaint, but for long the AL-31 was the only engine available, so it was not a waste but a simple necessity.

For all later models - esp. since it seems as if there are still issues with the WS-10 - I also do not see it as a waste. This engine is reliable and mature ... and losses also occur with other types, esp. single engined ones.

So what's Your issue?

Deino

Single engine not reliable? Easy , then get rid of single engine plane.
Use 2 medium engined one like j31, just as economical.

Doesn't matter FN, ZN, any type of foreign engines is lame in my book
 
Single engine not reliable? Easy , then get rid of single engine plane.
Use 2 medium engined one like j31, just as economical.

Doesn't matter FN, ZN, any type of foreign engines is lame in my book
Double engine plane have much higher maintenance costs. Also, the only engine available for FC-31 at this moment in time are Russian engines. Engine technology extremely costly and difficult, simply takes time and cannot be rushed. Patience, and within next 5-10 years, all Chinese planes, including J-10 and J-20 will be using Chinese engines.
 

Deino

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Single engine not reliable? Easy , then get rid of single engine plane.
Use 2 medium engined one like j31, just as economical.

Doesn't matter FN, ZN, any type of foreign engines is lame in my book


Oh come on ! I really don't know what went wrong that Your mood is so bad.

Surely twin is better, larger is better ... but You need to see the context: When the J-10 was planned, it was aimed as a single engine successor for the J-7 and since the own engines failed, the AL-31FN in fact saved it from being cancelled. Additionally it had a common engine to the PLAAF's latest fighter, the Su-27/J-11.

That You now want more, bigger, twin - why not three - is simply not an argument esp. since a complete heavy twin-engine fleet is too expensive and sometimes operationally not desired ... regardless what You want.

Deino
 

manqiangrexue

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This is hilarious; you guys are here trying to seriously explain the intricacies of aircraft performance vs cost ratio to him and he's just saying stupid nonsense to tick you off like "Plane no scare people=no good. Need make scary plane! Add fangs and claws! Single engine no good. 1 engine die=airplane die. Make all plane 5 engine!" LOLOL
 

b787

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J10 scare no one therefore it's a waste of money

Likewise for 054, 056 , they waste a lot of money on things that don't change the perception or change strategic equation.
J-10 is an F-16 type aircraft, it must be really good lightly loaded.

The Chinese main problem and you are right is the engine, it limits production numbers.

having a foreign engine limits its production, but the most produced 4th generation aircraft is F-16.

Not long ago i watched a Russian documentary where they said, MiG-29's main trouble was price, it cost around 70% or 75% of a Su-27 but it is much less capable, it has much smaller range and payload, thus Russia decided to have a Su-27 based fleet.

price is very important, if J-10's price is 50% or less than the Price of J-11, the J-10 is a good option, if they can produce an indigenous engine in large numbers J-10 could repeat the success of F-16.

if you look F-16 has double the production numbers of F-18 and of the MiG-29, i think J-10 is a good light weight fighter
 
Even for USAF, which has by far the largest budget in the world, there is more than double the number of F-16 as F-15. And within the next few years, there will be much more than double the number of F-35 when compared to the F-22. If anything, PLAAF actually needs more J-10s, relative to the Flankers. As for FC-31, whether or not it will be mass produced depends on its cost, both unit cost and operating cost relative to the J-20, analogous to the Mig-29 vs Su-27, as pointed out by b787. And two engines do dramatically increase the price. So J-10/J-11 is analogous to F-16/F-15, whereas FC-31/J-20 is analogous to Mig-29/Su-27.
 
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