J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[tphuang]

Any idea if those engines have TVC?

not sure, but it's likely that the engines are are higher thrusted, probably along the line of AL-31FN-M2.

 

[PrOeLiTeZ]

if you are thinking about J-10B, that's still in the pipelines, shouldn't be ready for production until probably end of 2010 if we go by the amount of time from when JF-17 04 first flied to when it was ready for production.

actually wasnt thinking about the J-10B, was thinking of the standard J-10 with modified new electronic suites. If the deal went of this year the engines wouldn't probably be delivered around or before the time J-10B is ready anyway. but im still trying to figure from the list of regiments which candidates are these J-10 gonna be service to.

 

[crobato]

There was a report that a new J-10 regiment formed near Chengdu, I'm suspecting it can only be the 33rd Division in Chongging. Basically, we have to assume that each MR (Military Region) gets one J-10 regiment first before any MR gets two regiments. So I am a little surprised that Chengdu MR would have two J-10 regiments, one each on the 33rd and the 44th. If this wasn't the case, I would have believed the only MRs that still doesn't have a J-10 regiment, would be Lanzhou MR and Jinan MR, after following Shenyang MR getting a J-10 regiment in the 1st Division located at Chifeng.

If that's the case, the candidates for the Lanzhou MR would either be the 37th or the 6th Division, while Jinan would be the 19th Division.

Chengdu MR = 44th Division, 33rd Division?
Guangzhou MR = 2nd Division
Zhejiang MR = 3rd Division
Shenyang MR = 1st Division

Technically Beijing MR still doesn't have an official J-10 regiment but then I presume the J-10 trials regiment at the FTTC covers this region and thus fills that spot. This is an indication that the J-10 regiment at the FTTC is also a fully operational one and not just tasked to do trials.

 

[bladerunner]

I recently came across a post in another forum made by a fairly senior member,judging by the number of posts. In it he claimed that he had seen close up photoes of the J10, and has come to the conclusion, that the quality of workmanship was poor and the rivets were not counter sunk. Can anyone tell me what crucial weakness this would entail, for such a failing.?

 

[hbogyt]

I recently came across a post in another forum made by a fairly senior member,judging by the number of posts. In it he claimed that he had seen close up photoes of the J10, and has come to the conclusion, that the quality of workmanship was poor and the rivets were not counter sunk. Can anyone tell me what crucial weakness this would entail, for such a failing.?

Judging from the tone, it must be from WAB. Is it Zraver, by the way? I would ignore them. Senior members mean nothing. Use your onw logic to judge the information.

 

[williamhou]

I recently came across a post in another forum made by a fairly senior member,judging by the number of posts. In it he claimed that he had seen close up photoes of the J10, and has come to the conclusion, that the quality of workmanship was poor and the rivets were not counter sunk. Can anyone tell me what crucial weakness this would entail, for such a failing.?

probably true, can tell from high quality pictures that its quality is not that good

 

[AssassinsMace]

Really... poor? Just by looking it? The stress the frame goes through just from flying at high speed... if you could tell by just looking at the rivets, it should fly apart just from the engine throttling-up on the tarmac. It's panic time for the insecure. Their economies are diving and they're grabbing at straws just to feel good about themselves. Look at the J-11B article that just came out. They're just retreadding old news to make sound like a new revelation. Just like during TV ratings season in the US. You always hear the breaking news that drinking a glass of red wine is good for you over and over again.

 

[Quickie]

Recent high quality photos of the J-10s, in action during the Zhuhai 08, show them to be sleekly built. Wonder why they prefer such thin paintwork. Anyway, the many squarish outlines seem matching in a way, so it doesn't really matter.

 

[Engineer]

Really... poor? Just by looking it? The stress the frame goes through just from flying at high speed... if you could tell by just looking at the rivets, it should fly apart just from the engine throttling-up on the tarmac.

There are plenty of posters on Chinese forums saying the samething, too. These are the same people who correlate prettiness with engineering -- if it doesn't look good, it isn't well engineered; if rivets can be seen, it isn't well engineered.

They are also the ones who conclude the 094 isn't the 094 because the hump is ugly, then come up with a bunch of "evidences" in attempt to support themselves. But at the end of the day it all comes down to this: they think the 094 is ugly.

Just ignore them as a bunch of morons.

 

[bladerunner]

I take it that you think counter sunk rivets are for aesthetics and does not compromise the integrity of the plane?