J-10 Thread III (Closed to posting)

[Deino]

Thanks for that info !

Besides that here are some more stills from the same TV-broadcast, which showed the J-11B ... and as the J-11B's and the J-8F's are all from the 1. Division ... are the J-10 too ??

So these would be the first pictures of a 1. Division J-10 ! (sadly the numbers are too blurred)

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Cheers, Deino

 

[crobato]

Probably.

My guess is that 1st Division :

1st Regiment - J-11B (formerly J-11)
2nd Regiment - J-10 (formerly J-7E)
3rd Regiment - J-8F (formerly J-8D)

Su-27UBKs which are the twin seat trainers, is likely to be retained in the meantime for pilot training.

 

[Deino]

Thanks again ... but one completely different question !

Shouldn't we add this tread to the "sticky" ones like the tread before ??

Deino

 

[crobato]

Only when its long enough to be closed. If I sticky the third thread, I would probably unsticky the second and let the third take its place, or merge the two together and sticky them as a single master thread. The stickied thread is intended to be used as a past reference only.

 

[tphuang]

I think last year they mentioned that China and Russia signed a deal for 50 more AL-31FN. It has actually turned out to be 100+ according to this article

MOSCOW, February 4 (RIA Novosti) - Russian arms sales to China could shrink from 40% to 10%, the head of a state-controlled arms exporter said on Wednesday.

In the past several decades Russia has been selling Su-27 and Su-30 fighters, Varshavyanka-class diesel submarines, and air-defense systems to China, among other types of weapons and equipment.

Rosoboronexport's general director Anatoly Isaikin did not say exactly when the Chinese share was expected to drop, stressing, however, that Russia was unfazed by the prospect.

"After all, sales volumes [across the world] are still high," he said in an interview with Nezavisimaya Gazeta.

He said Russia's cooperation with Beijing "is reaching a fundamentally new level - the development of dual-purpose products with high-tech components."

Isaikin said Russia had signed the first military contract this year for the delivery of more than 100 engines for the Chinese J-10 fighter.

He added that China would continue to buy military transport aircraft, fuel tankers, and aircraft engines from Russia, and was also interested in air-defense system and naval systems.

 

[unknauthr]

Can't say that I am surprised about the new order for engines from Moscow. There are a number of reasons why I would expect this to continue:

• It will take time to develop the necessary infrastructure for the WS-10A to fulfill orders for both the J-10 and the J-11B. For the time being, they have their hands full supplying engines for the J-11B.
  
  
• The AL-31FN as many of us are aware, is not the same as the AL-31F that is supplied for the Su-27 and Chinese J-11A fighters. The externals package has been relocated to accommodate single-engine operation. Similarly, a new version of the WS-10A would need to be developed to make it compatible with the J-10.
  
  
• From a logistics standpoint, the PLAAF will not want to mix-and-match engine types within the same air base, and certainly not within the same squadron. They will have to plan out an appropriate window for transferring production over from one engine type to another.
  
  
• Engine reliability needs to be higher in a single engine fighter than for a two engine fighter. They may very well be waiting until they have enough operational hours under their belt with the WS-10A, before they are willing to make the switch from one engine to another.

With Moscow hungry to maintain business in China, they may also have received a good deal. Unfortunately none of these news reports include any pricing information that might allow us to compare one year's contract to the next.

 

[tphuang]

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the interesting part is
In late January, Rosoboronexport and China signed a $500 million contract for the sale of 122 engines for Chengdu J-10 fighters, said a Russian aircraft company official.

looks like J-10 is ready for mass production again.

 

[PrOeLiTeZ]

so it looks like we'll be seeing some new minor modified J-10 soon, wonder which regiment will be replaced with the new J-10 batch.

 

[tphuang]

so it looks like we'll be seeing some new minor modified J-10 soon, wonder which regiment will be replaced with the new J-10 batch.

if you are thinking about J-10B, that's still in the pipelines, shouldn't be ready for production until probably end of 2010 if we go by the amount of time from when JF-17 04 first flied to when it was ready for production.

 

[mean_bird]

Any idea if those engines have TVC?