well i know most of my japanese friend are very friendly, but you have to know that a leader of the country should follow the rule. I think china and japan signed a treaty (forgot which one) that Japan PM will not visit the shrine. A appologies means nothing if you don't back it up and keep taunting your neighbour. Teaching your country of false history is not good either since the world knew the truth. The world knew the wrong doing, and some japanese that came out to learn the real history was shock to find the difference.
Its Official Japan not Tiawan is the potential flashpoint
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I will apolgized again for off topic, and I will make this one the last post on this topic. Forgive me
.I had been to a high school with many Japanese attended. I would have to agree most Japanese are very polite, but few of them with lack of knowledge and misunderstaning of history had shocked me.
The war criminals in the Shrine are not the same as in Vietnam War memorial. Tojo and 14 class A criminals are equal to Nazi Hitler. So if Germany did not allow to worship Hitler why should Japanese can. Please do not try to make comparison about Tojo with others war criminals. Tojo is as evil as Hitler, so no one should worship him as no one worship Hitler. Just take Tojo and 14 class A criminal out of the shrine, I am oK with other criminals.
Yes, Japan is very peaceful now, but do they have a choice. I am not focus on WWII, but I am not convice that they should be allow to whitewash their history. If what they did in WWII is justify, would you think that it could be easily for them to do it again giving the chance. As you said, everyone should not forget history, so nothing bad will happen again.
I would say this again do Japan have any chose to be not peaceful. US had full contol over their military. Regarding china in past 60 years, it had nothing to do with japan WWII, and I had already explained.
I agreed Japan had changed profoundly in last 60 years, but I also see the rise of rightwing politics and their intention of whitewash their history. If you ever visit a Japanese book store, you could find a lot of books with false and misleading information about WWII. If you ever visit some Japanese site, some kids there would make a lot crap statements. I see the good about Japan, but I also see the bad about Japan. I never blind with hate, because I always try to see both side of story before I make any condemning.
I had no problem for Japan to promote their nationalism, but I do have problem for them to whitewash their history.
Thats better...
Now lets leave aside matters relating to shrines histories and apologies etc, and concentrate on the hear and now.
Allowing for a high degree of brinkmanship on both sides, it can be never be healthy for two strong militaries both with a grudge, to be brushing up against each other in this way. Mistakes and Misunderstandings are always possible.
I am interested from hearing from Service Professionals, especially those with Cold War Era service, as to how great they would measure the risk and how they would compare the nature and frequency of Sino-Japanese confrontations, to those of NATO and the Warsaw Pact in Soviet times.
I am also interested to hear what constitutes a "Confidence Building Measure" and how these can be implemented.
Now lets leave aside matters relating to shrines histories and apologies etc, and concentrate on the hear and now.
Allowing for a high degree of brinkmanship on both sides, it can be never be healthy for two strong militaries both with a grudge, to be brushing up against each other in this way. Mistakes and Misunderstandings are always possible.
I am interested from hearing from Service Professionals, especially those with Cold War Era service, as to how great they would measure the risk and how they would compare the nature and frequency of Sino-Japanese confrontations, to those of NATO and the Warsaw Pact in Soviet times.
I am also interested to hear what constitutes a "Confidence Building Measure" and how these can be implemented.
this is more of a political issue, both countries requires an external threat. both countries are also contesting control over east china sea, which is suggested to by gas rich?
the apologies were never given with much meaning, japan has rarely done much to help clean up the bombs it left lying around other countries, honestly, japan is only giving words and doing little action to amend. it is more out of pride? for the amount of money japan used to help it's neighbours isn't stingy.
Confidence Building Measure cannot be implemented without backing by the political leaders. fairly hard for 2 nationalistic countries to agree on a platform.
the apologies were never given with much meaning, japan has rarely done much to help clean up the bombs it left lying around other countries, honestly, japan is only giving words and doing little action to amend. it is more out of pride? for the amount of money japan used to help it's neighbours isn't stingy.
Confidence Building Measure cannot be implemented without backing by the political leaders. fairly hard for 2 nationalistic countries to agree on a platform.
I think Webby messed up something when he re modeled the forum...
This forum is for VIP members... I can't even post in here before, only VIP members and super-mods...
Closing this thread until we resolve the problem...
Also other non-VIP members please don't post in the Professional Discussions
This forum is for VIP members... I can't even post in here before, only VIP members and super-mods...
Closing this thread until we resolve the problem...
Also other non-VIP members please don't post in the Professional Discussions
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