Israeli Military Says Missile Struck Warship Instead of Drone

Gollevainen

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Actually these photoes doesen't reveal anything related to the incidence. First one just shows a Barak missile being fired (which wasen't the case in that particular situation) and later shows the several time mentioned diesel exhaust pipe which may seem like a hole to some.

Also the Missile reportedly hit to the crane in the helicopterdeck which doesen't seem damaged at all in these pictures. So IMO they are not taken during the time of the attack.
 

Jeff Head

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Actually these photoes doesen't reveal anything related to the incidence. First one just shows a Barak missile being fired (which wasen't the case in that particular situation) and later shows the several time mentioned diesel exhaust pipe which may seem like a hole to some.

Also the Missile reportedly hit to the crane in the helicopterdeck which doesen't seem damaged at all in these pictures. So IMO they are not taken during the time of the attack.
Well, I am not necessarily saying that these pics are what they claim...only that in that particular set of frames the rear of the vessel...and I am not speaking at all of the exhaust vents near the waterline...does appear to be damaged at the hangar. The hangar appears to have been gutted out. There appears to be a rather large, ragged hole where the doors should be.

Since that pic comes from a moving vessel that the Israelis say is the Hanit moving back towards port, it would be more diffcult to fake.

In addition however, since the pic is not high res, it is difficult to say for sure. I am just saying that the hangar area of that vessel appears like it could have been damaged. Nothing more or less.

Here's a comparison between what should be normal, and what we have with these pics. Normally, the doors to the hangar are indented and those fairings around them are canted for RCS I suppose. The pic of the Saar 5 in question seems abnormal by comparison.


Normal Pics of aft, hangar area of an INS Saar 5
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Pic of potentially damaged Saar 5 (Hanit) returning to port

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Gollevainen

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The first pic is most likely mirrored wrong, notice the position of the crane. And the pics of the alledged damage doesen't seem to show any indications that the crane would be hit (one could assume the whole thing being whiped away or at least taken out of its normal position if missilesize object flying fast hits it even if it doesen't explode). There is a dark spot, yeas but from the pic is hard to say anything, could you post the link for the video so we could see if the movie reveals more??
 

Jeff Head

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The first pic is most likely mirrored wrong, notice the position of the crane. And the pics of the alledged damage doesen't seem to show any indications that the crane would be hit (one could assume the whole thing being whiped away or at least taken out of its normal position if missilesize object flying fast hits it even if it doesen't explode). There is a dark spot, yeas but from the pic is hard to say anything, could you post the link for the video so we could see if the movie reveals more??
The link form the video was posted in post 180.

To me, the most damage appears to be right at the hangar doors and possible extending into the hangar. Looking at the picture, you can see two vertical dark areas on either side of where the doors should be. This appears to be the sides of a ragged hole where the doors into the hangar otherwise would be. In these pics, the hangar doors appear to be gone, or so severely damaged that they are not distinguishable, leaving an opening into the hangar area from the aft.
 
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bd popeye

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Thanks for posting that Jeff.

I see what appears to be damage. The pic of the stern is to dark to see what the damage is. But a better shot (with more light) taken from the stern looking foward would be much better. It is very difficult to tell from thease pics the extent of the damage.
 

Jeff Head

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Thanks for posting that Jeff.

I see what appears to be damage. The pic of the stern is to dark to see what the damage is. But a better shot (with more light) taken from the stern looking foward would be much better. It is very difficult to tell from thease pics the extent of the damage.
Yes...it is very grainy. But, in watching that video, the camera pans back to the aft portion of the ship for only a couple of seconds. Almost as if though they were avoiding showing any detail of the aft...which I believe they were avoiding for obvious reasons.

It is the only shot of the aft of that Saar 5 that I have been able to find that gives any clue or indication to the damage. And, as I have stated, it is my opinion, from those pics, that the hangar area was severelly damaged and gutted out, which a missile hit, which exploded just above the deck instead of penetrating into it, would have done. I believe the Israelis were extremely lukcy that that vessel was not sunk.

I also believe it was derelect in duty to have such a capable vessel in a war zone like that and have its principle defenses turned off...or on a 2-minute standby. Clearly, two minutes made all the difference in the world. This vessel was designed to counter this very threat and was there to protect other gunboats that were bombarding shore targets.
 

Violet Oboe

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Probably the Israelis were indeed lucky that Hanit did not sink and during the last year the whole story was heavily censored and the discussion in israeli media was consequently very muted.

The incident was also ´blacked out´during the debate about the responsibility of the Olmert administration for military failures in the war against Hizballah. The Winograd commission will discuss the Hanit problem in the second part of her report during the fall of this year but of course technical details will remain classified.

After all the Hanit could sink Olmerts political career but we will have to wait and see ...:D

(P.S.: Jeff; the IDF has something embarrassing to hide that's for sure, but whether an individual failed or the technology (or perhaps both) will probably remain shrouded in secrecy...:confused: )
 

mpaduan79

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i heard a report from lubnan from friends that ...maybe credible that the ship active defence system have detect and release decoy chaff manage to mislead the first missile but not the second because "not enough time":coffee:
 

bd popeye

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I git this from another military website..Ther is no link for the text of the story.

From the pics below it apperas the hangar too the brunt of the missile hit. I would like to see some interior shots of the battle damage so I can make a better assesment of the damage.

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Ynet reveals for the first time images of the damage caused to the Israeli navy gunship that was hit by a Hizbullah missile off the shores of Beirut during the Second Lebanon war

EXCLUSIVE - It happened on Friday night, July 14,three days into the Second Lebanon War. An Iranian missile fired by Hizbullah hit an Israeli Navy gunship off the shores of Beirut. Four soldiers were killed in the biggest blow to the IDF's morale during the 34-day conflict. An inquiry into the incident later revealed a line of failures.

Up until now, the IDF has prevented the publication of detailed photographs of the incident. Now, 15-months later, exclusive images from the deck of the ship have been obtained by Ynet. For the first time, the hole that was left near the helipad on the advanced gunship, and the damage the missile caused, can be seen.

The photos show that the fire that broke out on the Hanit naval ship, left much of it charred, including the command bridge. The deck of the ship also suffered great damage and the heavy metal was bent and burnt. The hole that the missile left in the soldiers' sleeping quarters was especially deep and reached the bottom of the ship, causing much harm and casualties.

Despite the major disaster, which took four lives, the images show that the missile fired by Hizbullah could have caused far worse damage if it had hit the center of the ship or one of the ship's central systems.

The pictures, published here for the first time, were taken three days after the attack once the ship had arrived at Ashdod port for repairs.

The IDF preferred not to show images of the damaged ship, and up until now have only been publishing photos of the ship at sea on its way to Ashdod, where the signs of the damage caused could not be spotted. The decision not to publish the pictures was made out of considerations that viewing such images could be too difficult and make the incident, which was considered one of the most serious incidents during the war, even worse.

Last week, Navy Commander David Ben-Ba'ashat ended his term after three years in the position. Ben-Ba'ashat chose not to stay in his post for a fourth year, in the shadow of the Hanit ship incident.


The ship was repaired over a period of many months and was recently put back into operation. The crewmen have undergone workshops with professionals, including psychologists, in order to be able to deal with the incident that caught the military and navy off guard.

Following the incident, changes were made in the army's decision making procedures regarding intelligence evaluations of weapons held by the enemy, to ensure that such an tragedy never happens again.
 
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