ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

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    With more big Russian support since end september mainly about 50 fighters bombers ...maybe also deliveries as T-90 by example but seems in few qty all arriving hidden with Ropucha/Alligators pass through the Turkish Straits with definitely ammunitions.

    For areas controled by sides/Front lines change interesting see maps for a comparison, come on Jura :D your the specialist ;)



     
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    I can't agree more with the rest of your post but "Syria now pretty much de facto Russian territory"? That's far from the truth. It's more like the Syrian government would have a hard time maintaining its hold on its territory, and even its survival, the moment they stop receiving Russian air support. The Syrian government continues to face manpower problems despite ground support from Iran and Hezbollah.

    Even now Saudi Arabia and the Gulf monarchies are most likely free to reinforce rebels from the south. Jordan has been suspiciously quiet throughout the entire conflict save for the short episode involving one of its pilots, despite it bordering critical rebel held areas and sharing vast stretches of desert with both Syria and Iraq which is probably a "no man's land" smugglers' haven in the context of this conflict. Turkey may have to work harder at it but Syria's northern border still have stretches open for support for rebels to come in.
     
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    I am somewhat confused by the "SDF" labels on this map. Is this the new name for the Kurdish forces and their allies? Western/US supported rebels and Kurds are "SDF" as compared to Gulf/Turkey supported "Rebels"?
     
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    It's a pretty good resume of the war in the area around that time. I read more than forty years ago an account of the war in the area before the big leaders arrived but intended to provide them with clear roads to Groningen. It looked rather unorganized but the principle was that when a force arrived at a strong point that was defended by a force that was slightly weaker, say twelve men against eight, it would go away again. Was the force much stronger, say twenty against eight, the strong point was given up and the weak force departed with their weapons, flags and drums or, if they didn't, they were attacked and all were killed unless they won. There were many small roads with even more strong points and it took years. So it was all about logistics: providing enough soldiers to overawe the defenders or sending enough reinforcement to see off the attackers, if you got to know soon enough what the other party planned to do. ( BTW I earlier told about the professor of military history, a former Lt.Col. in the Dutch army, I met in 1973 who had never thought about the logistics of the French invasion of the Netherlands along the river Rhine in 1672.)
     
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    A few weeks ago Russia and Jordan established a centre for military coordination in Amman: http://www.jordantimes.com/news/loc...-military-coordination-concerning-south-syria. This must make support of the terrorists in Syria more difficult.
     
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    I recalled this one ... the series of posts ends
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    with (sounds like I lost back then :)
    but it's unclear how this is related to what's going on somewhere else now, I mean it's fine to bring events like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae (wiki link here because I had to check the spelling), but only in general sense (as symbols), and I don't think the Dutch checkpoints of 1590 etc. etc. are relevant to any checkpoints of the Syrian Civil War, sorry

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    just look at WW2 Eastern Front: certain "doomed" campaigns actually succeeded, yet some "unstoppable" failed
     
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    ... could happen, shown on this map:
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    but ... Nov 20, 2015
    Isn't it risky to create such a protrusion, changing its shape in time EDIT wide only about two miles at its base!, into enemy territory?
     
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    Interesting, but I imagine much more complicated to get working properly with target detection and tracking than if IS just got their hands on some manpads.

    http://www.janes.com/article/57074/the-islamic-state-s-improvised-sam

     
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    Tactically the war is very different but at the operational level I see a remarkable resemblance.
     
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