ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

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delft

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I heard it said on BBC Radio 4 that a FSA delegation will visit Moscow at the end of next week. They seem to hurry very slowly.
 
janjak desalin

janjak desalin

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Jeff Head said:
We are seeing your posts Janjak.

Is this something occurring in your locality?

Is this something dealing with a denial of service attempt at some higher level?
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no, it's not local. it's focused. i posted the previous through Tor and this one from behind a mask. I'm no master-hacker, but I'll find the source.
anyways:

i've broken through, now.
it's ON!!!
Triangulation, baby!!!


 
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dtulsa

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plawolf said:
So was I ;).

That actually servers as a comparison, as bad as the Hitler Youth were, the future ISIS Youths will be far worse.
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SampanViking said:
I think that what your map shows Janjak, is that by taking Aleppo and environs, you totally destroy the territorial integrity of any "Free" Statelet. It is a big nail in the coffin of the partition strategy.

One common theme, in all this worth adding, is that this strategy makes more sense from a political perspective rather than a military one. I mean by this, that this looks like moves to end this conflict via political means, rather than through bitter military struggle to the end, at least as far as the rebels are concerned.
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Jura said:
very interesting (dated Nov 04, 2015):
A-10 Gunship Attacks Critical to Taking Town from ISIS: Pentagon

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Looks like congress was actually right to keep the (old warhorse the A10) in service one thing I have never understood is why no foreign country ever bought this very useful plane some how I don't think their going away anytime soon at least I hope not till a suitable replacement it found sorry but the F35 ain't it to fast not armour and last but not least no 30mm cannon
 
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dtulsa

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delft said:
I heard it said on BBC Radio 4 that a FSA delegation will visit Moscow at the end of next week. They seem to hurry very slowly.
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My feeling is that we are starting to see the beginning of truce talks aimed at something like the Kurds have in northern Iraq at that sounds like the best outcome at present then everyone can claim victory while turning their attention to Isis strange that we support the FSA yet they go to Moscow for tallks
 
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dtulsa

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Jeff Head said:
Wolf, I agree with this.

I believe that in the end, before all is said and done, it will end up having to be something like what was done to defeat the Nazis and the Imperial Japanese.

You have a culture amongst the truly radical Islamic Jihadists/Terrorists that is very near to the same mind set.

While it is true that the average German was not a "true," believer, just the same, there were plenty who were, and the allure and the appeal to national pride that built up around Hitler and the dedicated Nazis pulled them in.

The Imperial Japanese mindset with the Samurai/Bushido mindset was more wide spread, and very cultural for the population who believed and were raised to believe that their emperor was God.

They had to be defeated without condition. Their entire societies were dismantled after the war...under constant occupation...and remade into more civilized governmental forms. This took decades...even after their total and complete defeat.

I fear that the culture/populations that are supporting the likes of ISIS will ultimately have to go through the same, and fear that the will to do this is severely lacking.

I also know that will is simply a very hard thing to engender (as it should be), and that it is apt to take much worse atrocities (As you spoke of) than we have seen to date to lead to it.

Heck...even 911 only truly united folks in the US for a few months...when Pearl Harbor united the US until the war was over and won...and even then for decades thereafter to make the commitment necessary to keep it from happening again in Germany and Japan.

I shudder to think what it might take to drive the western republics to that type of commitment today.

But, I agree with you...in the end, the civilized world is going to have to set aside their differences (as they did in World War II) to absolutely and utterly defeat the likes of ISIS...and the cultures that spawn them. In that sense...such atrociies and such dangers ought to unite us, and ought to allow us to come together for all of our common good.

To date...sadly, that has not happened. As I have said many times, the US should be working with Russia to take down ISIS. If it leaves Assad in place...fine. he is nothing like ISIS, and the people of Syria were not ever suffering under him (irrespective of what failings he may have) than they have and are under ISIS.
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It's my understanding that Isis evolved from the remnants of Hussein's regime also there was a so called special unit's that I remember being clad in black but I can't remember their name was it Fedeen or something like that one thing's for certain they certainly did their jobs well in the long run
 
Jeff Head

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dtulsa said:
It's my understanding that Isis evolved from the remnants of Hussein's regime also there was a so called special unit's that ...
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ISIS was the remnant of Al Qaeda Iraq and other militants who were seeking to keep alive the insurgency against US Forces and the newly formed Iraqi government.

Once the people voted, several times, to keep the new government going despite their threats, and once the US was able to get tribal leaders to back them...the US initiated its surge which defeated the insurgency...and did so decisively...in 2007 and 2008.

The remnant of those forces went into Syria and ultimately came together into ISIS. When the new US administration pulled out all forces in Iraq, and began flirting with the underlying groups in the "Arab Spring" movement, ISIS took the opportunity to renew their efforts in Iraq (as well as Syria) and the situation has continued to what we see today.

But that is all history now 8 and more years old. Today, it is what it is and the nations who all oppose ISIS and other such absolute militants, should in fact come together to defeat them.
 
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