ISIS/ISIL conflict in Syria/Iraq (No OpEd, No Politics)

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The U.S. and its allies must immediately engage at the strategic, diplomatic and tactical military levels in Syria and Iraq. The focus for that action should be uncomplicated;
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while supporting the Kurds in reshaping our position in Iraq; put the Iran nuclear agreement in the rear view mirror.

There is a clear and present danger of miscalculation, which needs to guide US and our allies to work directly with the Russians in the deconfliction of air space. We need as well to come to terms with the end of the latest age of unmanned aerial vehicles. Not only are the Russians putting our UAVs in risk, but the information war is being lost to Russia as new documents have been leaked which put the United States into a moral abyss.

With the publication of what The Intercept has called the Drone Wars, “US drone operations in Somalia, Yemen, and Afghanistan, including the mechanism of targeting suspects slated for assassination”
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, which provides the Russian leader with more than enough apparent justification to operate in the Syrian airspace to deal with US drones operating in Syrian airspace.

Russia has had a significant stake in Syria for a long time, and Syria is part of Putin’s Mediterranean resurgence. For Secretary of State John Kerry when looking at Russia’s actions in the Ukraine, Putin was declared to be so 19th century. In reality, Putin is
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– to support a strategy of influence and strategic positioning.

In the face of Russian strategy in Syria, the lack of clarity in U.S. strategy and the use of the U.S. military to support strategic incoherence is leaving it exposed. Disregarding the warnings of recently retired head of Air Combat Command, Gen. Mike Hostage, that the US should not fly UAVs in contested airspace, these vulnerable assets now face Russian aviation in a potential face off. Either these assets have to be removed for their own protection, or pilots must fly to protect them and engage the Russians in a World War I-style of warfare equivalent to shooting down observation balloons. There are clear limits to relying on UAV technologies except in unique circumstances, namely air dominance and clear strategic purpose.

President George W. Bush
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he had looked into Putin’s eyes in 2001 and “was able to get a sense of his soul.” Clearly, Putin has done this with Obama, and his Syrian actions are playing off of what Putin sees as the Obama strategy which includes a pro-Iranian stance, an alienation of Israel, a pro-Baghdad Iraq policy, and a very weak “air campaign” burdened with more lawyers than airstrikes.

Putin is backing a sitting government, that of Assad. One should remember that the bias in the UN Charter is to support sitting governments and that Russian claims that Western strikes in Syria are illegal under the UN charter is not just hyperbole. Russian actions in support of Assad also expose the incoherence of the “other side” supporting the mishmash of opponents of Assad, ranging from ISIL, to the legitimate opponents of Assad.

With a well-defined military force on the ground, namely those of Assad, and in support of the legitimate government of Syria, Russian airpower can rely on those Syrian forces to help find and mark targets, and can prosecute Assad’s enemies as well as ISIL. With no lawyers in their OODA (Observe, Orient, Decide, Act) loop, Russian pilots are not constrained by the OOLDA (Observe, Orient, Legally Review, Decide, and Act) loop which limits the effectiveness of Western airpower.

To be clear, this is not about “ground forces” versus “airpower” since all operations are now air-enabled. This is about crafting a clear strategy within which military assets can be used. Putin is clearing the decks to expand his influence in the region in the face of Western strategic incoherence and their lack of strategic operational clarity.

Putin went to Paris recently and cut a deal with Ukraine to take Ukraine off the table for the moment. Putin is trying to put the lid on Syria, which would be supported by many Europeans since this could provide relief from Europe’s refugee crisis.

Putin has met with the Israel leader and the Israeli military as well and they have discussed the way ahead in the region. While President Obama is giving the cold shoulder to Netanyahu, Putin welcomed the Israeli leader to discuss the region and the way ahead on security arrangements.

The Russians have deployed missile defense systems around their main operating base, deterring Western air forces. To be clear, there is little doubt that these defenses could be destroyed if needed, but what is the point?

The Iranians are getting the point, that strategy-led military operations in support of a legitimate government in Syria – however brutal – makes the Russians a key player that must be dealt with, especially one which can deal with Europe and Israel at the same time.

Putin has put in play calibrated military force supporting a strategy
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In contrast, the Obama Administration has put in play an incoherent military operation against ISIL without clear allies on the ground.

Putin’s clearly defined actions only enhances the opportunities for the Russians to influence events and shape outcomes. Simply opposing Putin will get the U.S. nowhere. The Obama administration must recognize how the game has already changed and the approach to counter-insurgency which the U.S. has followed for a decade, along with attachment to UAV-enabled ground operations, has been overtaken by events.

There is a clear need to get on with the strategic task of deconflicting the Western and Russian air forces operating in the murky border regions of Iraq and Syria, notably with the ISIL operating with fluidity within the “borderless” region from their point of view. It should not be forgotten that European air forces have been engaged in vigorous operations as the Russians test them over the Baltic and North Sea regions. They already have some sense of what the current Russian air operations are all about. Air forces such as the RAF have already made it clear that they will not tolerate any direct threat to their forces as well in Iraq.

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to be a player and kingmaker in the region. For Putin, Russian airpower is a key instrument in his strategy, one not constrained by the OOLDA loop.
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SampanViking

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I think we saw in the Ukraine how budget/shop sold drones could be made useful and expendable recon vehicles and I have no doubt that a little back room infrastructure can do a lot with even slightly more advanced models.

Has anybody actually stated where exactly this happened? The Turkish Syrian border is quite long after all.

I imagine that these machines are a very cost effective way of getting good intel, and even if only a one way, single use, cheaper than sending over a proper recon aircraft. Being cheap also increases plausible deniability, as pretty much any group would be able to operate one.
Do not rule out commercial/media organisations as well.

If it was a military operated drone, then I wonder why the Turks bothered to expend a missile that was probably worth many times more than the target they hit. I suspect then it would have been what was being observed rather than its presence per-ce.

It seems that it landed in Turkey, but that may not be a reliable indicator of where it was hit. The media were all saying "In Turkish Airspace near the Syrian border with Turkey" yesterday. This again suggests the 5 mile Turk imposed exclusion zone in Syria as surely they would have bluntly said "it flew over the border into Turkey" had that been the case.

Also in the news, the start of the big ground push for Aleppo. The relative lack of reporting suggests that its going well for the Syrians TOW's or no.
 

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The lack of clarity in U.S. strategy results from the fact that it is contrary to international law. In the first week of the NATO operation against Libya I wrote that if successful it would lead to Libya becoming a failed state. This is not a legitimate purpose of a war. It invites the development of large scale terrorism. But it is apparently again the purpose of US policy wrt Syria.
Only extraordinary measures can restore trust in Western policies in the Middle East.
 

Delbert

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Why won't China join the coalition in fight against ISIS/rebels?

China can use this opportunity to also tests its new cruise missiles, and tanks (against TOW missiles) at the same time hitting ISIS and Syrian rebels to contribute to the Global effort in fighting terrorism.
 

Jeff Head

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my post about the drone from Russian sources seems to have attracted no interest

...found in Ukraine in 2014:
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...found in Turkey yesterday:
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Excellent find Jura.

THAT UAV that you posted a picture of from the Ukraine is definitely like the one that was brought down.

You are the only one I have found...ANYWHERE to this point in my searched on the net...to make a connection. Way to go!

My understanding from the blog was that Ukrainians found the first UAV in 2014 in Ukraine. were the people who found it separatists? Or were they Ukrainians allied with the government?

Now...to find out who is making them.
 
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Jeff Head

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Here they are again:

UAV discovered on battlefield in Ukraine in 2014
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UAV found after it was brought down by Turkey in 2015
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If that first UAV was operating assisting the Separatists in the Ukraine...then the UAV brought down by Turkey would, IMHO, point to Russian origin.

Now just to try and find out more about it.
 

delft

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Why won't China join the coalition in fight against ISIS/rebels?

China can use this opportunity to also tests its new cruise missiles, and tanks (against TOW missiles) at the same time hitting ISIS and Syrian rebels to contribute to the Global effort in fighting terrorism.
If there will be a Chinese contribution it is more likely to be by PLAAF units - J-11B, J-16, KJ-500? The Iraqi army supported by Iranian Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution units will be strong enough on the ground not to need PLA support. Let ground forces be as uncomplicated as possible.
 
Excellent find Jura.

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now it seems I should post about the drone again LOL

Jeff credit goes to

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... who is a Stalinist; he wasn't particularly coy about whose drone it was (according to him, the problem is not the drone itself, but further worsening of relations between Russia and the Turks in case they proved they caught what they think they caught)
 
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Jeff Head

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now it seems I should post about the drone again LOL

Jeff credit goes to



... who is a Stalinist; he wasn't particularly coy about whose drone it was
Do we know who either had the UAV...or who it was operating for?

Even if operated for the Ukraine, it could have been one they had in their inventory from Russia.

We need to know who made it.

I have some friends working on that.
 
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delft

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now it seems I should post about the drone again LOL

Jeff credit goes to



... who is a Stalinist; he wasn't particularly coy about whose drone it was (according to him, the problem is not the drone itself, but further worsening of relations between Russia and the Turks in case they proved they caught what they think they caught)
I know, approximately, the value of Russian characters but do not read Russian. Do I understand correctly that the photograph was taken in Ukraine and "borrowed" by Turkey?
 
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