Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?

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B.I.B.

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I know its off topic here but I can't resist the opportunity in not asking why the two Mongolia's join up again as a region of China?
 
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AssassinsMace

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I know its off topic here but I can't resist the opportunity in not asking why the two Mongolia's join up again?,

Well the US tried that under Obama when both Obama and Hillary said they were inspired by the Arab Spring and then the US media made up a big deal over a traffic accident that took place in Inner Mongolia where the Mongolian driver of one car was killed. The US was doing it long before Russia with Facebook and Twitter. Mongolia also claims Xinjiang as theirs also. Who is the US going to side with... Uighurs or Mongolians?
 

B.I.B.

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Well the US tried that under Obama when both Obama and Hillary said they were inspired by the Arab Spring and then the US media made up a big deal over a traffic accident that took place in Inner Mongolia where the Mongolian driver of one car was killed. The US was doing it long before Russia with Facebook and Twitter. Mongolia also claims Xinjiang as theirs also. Who is the US going to side with... Uighurs or Mongolians?


My apologies Mace my cell phone connection dropped out before I could make the change in my thread where I suggested Mongolia remain as an region of China.

Is that true? US officially supporting an independant Uighurs nation. We can blame the US for the plight of the Uighurs in those camps.?
 

AssassinsMace

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My apologies Mace my cell phone connection dropped out before I could make the change in my thread where I suggested Mongolia remain as an region of China.

Is that true? US officially supporting an independant Uighurs nation. We can blame the US for the plight of the Uighurs in those camps.?

It's not official. It's underhanded. They would love it to happen. The Arab Spring caught fire in several Middle East countries and the US thought they could start it in other parts of the world and the US didn't have to go to war to start a revolution. I think it started in Algeria where some poor street vendor was harassed by police. That's why the US thought they can turn a traffic accident in Inner Mongolia into a revolution in China. And let's not forget soon after that incident someone on Chinese social media posted for a revolution against the Chinese government to start at "this" place at "this" time in China and called for everyone to show up. So when the time came, who were the only ones to show up? US Ambassador to China Jon Huntsman and the Western media. What more says that someone in the US State Department posted this message. The one thing they forgot was they posed as a Chinese but did not let go the arrogance of an American to think everyone was going to do what they said. And because no one actually Chinese showed up, they could and did spin to say they were arrested by secret police.

What they're angry at Russia for doing with US social media, they were already doing it to China.
 

localizer

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It's not official. It's underhanded. They would love it to happen. The Arab Spring caught fire in several Middle East countries and the US thought they could start it in other parts of the world and the US didn't have to go to war to start a revolution. I think it started in Algeria where some poor street vendor was harassed by police. That's why the US thought they can turn a traffic accident in Inner Mongolia into a revolution in China. And let's not forget soon after that incident someone on Chinese social media posted for a revolution against the Chinese government to start at "this" place at "this" time in China and called for everyone to show up. So when the time came, who were the only ones to show up? US Ambassador to China Jon Huntsman and the Western media. What more says that someone in the US State Department posted this message. The one thing they forgot was they posed as a Chinese but did not let go the arrogance of an American to think everyone was going to do what they said. And because no one actually Chinese showed up, they could and did spin to say they were arrested by secret police.

What they're angry at Russia for doing with US social media, they were already doing it to China.

I remember soviet leadership saying diff btw USSR citizens and Americans is that Soviets know their news is bullshit while Americans think theirs is the real deal.
 
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I remember soviet leadership saying diff btw USSR citizens and Americans is that Soviets know their news is bullshit while Americans think theirs is the real deal.
This is a very amusing paradox, when all media are regulated and edited, people go to great length to sieve through them, comparing and researching. But when all media are let of the hook, people just gravitate to the nearest one that fits their agenda, or failing to find any, just make one up themselves.
Not to say that either one mode is better than the other, but it goes to show how we humans are capable of messing up no matter how many precautions we take.
 

Biscuits

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I know its off topic here but I can't resist the opportunity in not asking why the two Mongolia's join up again as a region of China?

Inner & Outer Mongolia is separated by the Gobi desert. And in Mongolia “proper” there is also something of an inferiority and persecution complex towards Inner Mongolia/China. They do not actually like eachother that much despite sharing names.

Even if they did like eachother, China isn’t just something you can join. Mongolia is landlocked nation with not a lot of resources and below 3rd tier living standards. Integrating it into China would be a costly investment. The only short term gain would be the prestige of having more living room. Living room that’s useless because there’s no infrastructure on it and it’s mainly desert.
 

supercat

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It seems less and less likely that EU will ban Huaiwei.

EU demands scrutiny of 5G risks but no bloc-wide Huawei ban

STRASBOURG (Reuters) - EU nations will be required to share data on 5G cybersecurity risks and produce measures to tackle them by the end of the year, the European Commission said on Tuesday, shunning U.S. calls to ban China’s Huawei Technologies across the bloc.

The aim is to use tools available under existing security rules plus cross-border cooperation, the bloc’s executive body said as it addressed issues surrounding expansion of the next-generation networks that are key to online connectivity between everything from vehicles to household devices.

The European Union move came despite U.S. pressure to boycott Huawei, citing fears of China using the company’s equipment for espionage. Huawei has strongly rejected the allegations and launched a lawsuit against the U.S. government.

The EU provided additional detail on the plans first reported by Reuters on March 22, with European digital chief Andrus Ansip saying that the measures announced on Tuesday aimed to address concerns about foreign governments using companies for espionage.

Last week French President Emmanuel Macron said that Europe was wakening up to potential Chinese dominance in the region.

Ansip said that 5G technology would transform the economy and society, but that this cannot happen without full security built in.

“It is therefore essential that 5G infrastructures in the EU are resilient and fully secure from technical or legal backdoors,” Ansip said in a statement.

EU countries have until the end of June to assess cybersecurity risks related to 5G, leading to an bloc-wide assessment by Oct. 1. Using this, EU countries would then have to agree measures to mitigate risks by the end of the year.

Such measures could include certification requirements and tests of products or suppliers regarded as potential security risks. The bloc will decide by Oct. 1, 2020, whether to take further action.

The EU has already passed a new law to give permanent status to the EU Cybersecurity Agency and to guide on cybersecurity certification.

The Commission said it will be up to individual EU countries to decide if they want to exclude companies from their markets on national security grounds.

Big telecoms operators, which view 5G as the next big moneyspinner, oppose a Huawei ban, saying that such a move could set back 5G deployment by years.

Huawei, the world’s biggest producer of telecoms equipment ahead of the likes of Sweden’s Ericsson and Finnish company Nokia, faces intense scrutiny in the West over its relationship with the Chinese government and U.S.-led allegations that its equipment could be used for spying.

Australia and New Zealand have stopped operators using Huawei equipment in their 5G networks.

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