Mongolia is not China. Go learn up some basic Geography 101 before making such a stupid comment.
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Mongolia is not China. Go learn up some basic Geography 101 before making such a stupid comment.
Chinese phone signal/reception is among the best in the world with full signal coverage in all underground subway systems, along high-speed-rail lines so that you can continue online while on the train, high up on the mountains or deep in the valleys.
There's even good signal coverage at Mt.Everest's base camp which mind you is already several thousand metres above sea level. Last year (or the year before) China has opened up stations in the South China Sea to provide phone signal and internet for people living on those man-made island. Often fishemen from neighbouring countries will be welcomed with a "Welcome to China and China Mobile" message when they enter the area.
There's even good signal coverage at Mt.Everest's base camp which mind you is already several thousand metres above sea level. Last year (or the year before) China has opened up stations in the South China Sea to provide phone signal and internet for people living on those man-made island. Often fishemen from neighbouring countries will be welcomed with a "Welcome to China and China Mobile" message when they enter the area.
Me bad. I had a brain lapse, and phrased my question poorly. but can you say with absolute certainty that rural Inner Mongal herdsman living in a similar circumstances don't have connect problems.
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Inner MOngolia is one of the richest province in China. I bet they have excellent infrastructure difference between Inner and outer Mongolia is like Heaven and Hell The common name has no relation between them Mongolia is one of the poorest country in the world
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It is a true challenge to reach remote area like this. The same challenge faced by all countries, developed or developing.We dairy farm in the Catlins which is an area within the province of Southland. The area of the Catlins is nearly twice the size of Hong Kong, however, the resident population is about 1600-2000. While the most live in small towns which get reasonable cell phone coverage,. many of us farmers live further out in more isolated settlements of just a handful of families.Our settlement is under 20 people spread out over say 12sq miles
On the farm, we do have a satellite phone and internet package but it does not work very well. I don't retain the tech specifics very well, so I think our download speed is about 20 something something and is much slower than what the best copper line connection can give. It stops working in the rain and other atmospheric conditions and with provider restrictions, our connected time, amounts to about four working days. Our copper phone line does not work very well either and spends more times a week out of order than working there is a couple of places on the farm where I can get a cell signal of about 1bar Currently I pay $80 for 7gigs of data on my cell phone data. When I want to go online I drive to this place where the signal is stronger and use my . cell phone as a hotspot for my laptop.
Because of the topography, there are many signal blackspots we need more cellphone towers to what is currently provided.
Heres a article which best describe the problems we have down here
Community demands better communications in the south Catlins
Mary-Jo Tohill15:20, Aug 06 2018
Chaslands resident Dianne Miller in a notorious black spot area of the Catlins at Samson Hill with no cellphone coverage, which is reliant on the copper landline network for essential communication, which she claims is unreliable
High above the Miller farm in the Chaslands, there is a log of wood marking a special spot.
This is where Dianne and Tony Miller can get cellphone reception when they need to, in an area of the south Catlins renowned for almost non-existent coverage and power cuts.
They have a satellite phone, but if all else fails - and the landline network does regularly - the elevated spot is where they can make contact with the outside world........
He is the Fire and Emergency New Zealand - Papatowai volunteer rural fire force controller and knows first-hand what can happen when comms go down at the station.
"If the phone line goes out, it becomes an issue."
The long stretch between Tokanui and Owaka on the Southern Scenic Route between Invercargill and Balclutha is a mobile dead zone.
The only spot along this section of State Highway 6 to have Mobile Black Spot funding dished out is Waikawa and Waikawa south, near Curio Bay.
Many people in this sparsely populated area between Papatowai and Tokanui rely on landlines for essential communication, and even then it's not the most reliable.
A Chorus spokesman said trees, weather and atmospheric conditions often blocked signals to radio towers and contributed to outages, and that the network was only designed to supply basic phone services in the remote area.
Residents are concerned the increase in tourism to the Catlins is cause for alarm without reliable communication.
Not only that, but poor coverage could impact on emergency services and response times, and a lack of cost effective technology could hinder business growth and education.
Dianne raised her concerns with Crown Infrastructure Government and Industry Affairs general manager Nick Manning during a meeting with Crown infrastructure partners recently.
"I was keen to push the point that we have a failing landline network and cannot afford to lose this very basic service as we have some elderly with health issues that rely on this service, also our local fire station.
"This area can lose the phone for up to four days a week and not many weeks go by when it has not had a fault."
Manning said he was not mandated to comment on the situation but was able to update the community on phase two of the Rural Broadband Initiative and Mobile Black Spots fund rolling out across the country over the next four years.
Since the meeting, Manning said he had discussed the community's concerns with the ministers involved and the Rural Connectivity Group, who is responsible for installing the 4G broadband towers.
"Depending on the location and configuration of these towers, this new mobile coverage is likely to spill over onto the roads along the south coast."
The group was also finalising a tender for an additional $105 million of funding, which may result in the Catlins receiving more towers or coverage, he said.
However, Dianne said it was "not good enough" that people were having to put up with an ageing landline infrastructure in the meantime.
"While I think it's great ... [more towers are] not going to benefit everyone because of the hilly terrain."
Clutha Southland MP Hamish Walker initiated Manning's visit and said: "Internet is as essential as our roads".
"For us to attract people to the district we need to be connected to the world through broadband. It is vital that rural New Zealand has high speed, reliable internet so that locals, businesses, medical centres, schools and tourists can go about their day efficiently and effectively.
"I am also concerned that volunteer fire stations don't have good cellphone coverage in the Catlins, or the medical centre in Owaka and the surrounding areas."
To make high speed connection, one need a high speed and reliable trunk line (such as fibre optic), even the cell tower need this trunk line to be connected to the rest of country. Economically it is not profitable at all for a commercial company to build a long fibre optical trunk line through mountains just to serve a few thousands. It has to be heavily subsidized by the state (which is what China does to remote regions). I understand that it is very difficult to do so in a western country as the central or federal government has little power in redistributing the budget among regions. Therefor, I would say it is more of a political hurdle rather than a technical or financial (from country's overall perspective) hurdle.
The 99% 4G coverage should be (to be precisely) over township and village (permeant settlement). It is not to cover every corner, certainly not a herdsman deep in the grassland. The only country that can cover 99% landmass is countries like South Korea where there is no "no-man's land" or 100% in Singapore. Most countries even the best in Europe (one of the Nordic) has many 4G blind areas just out side of the capital (vast forest and hilly areas), same would go for Japan.
Man you're really underestimating China and its infrastructure prowess.
This article is in Chinese but I'll extract the important bits for you. By the end of 2015 (note, that's more than three years ago), Inner Mongolia has achieved full continuous coverage of all its cities and counties, and 70% of administrative villages, most are deep in the desert or grasslands. Tourist attractions above AAA grade and all major expressways are also covered, with a total 4G signal stations of 21039.
In fact, last December, the Capital city of Inner Mongolia has already built its first 5G station in collaboration with HUAWEI, which is also one of the first 5G stations in the world.
Though all bearing the "Mongolia" name, Mongolia and Inner Mongolia is two totally different places.
Mongolia is really behind as a country because of the undeveloped economy. Now that they have allowed mining operations there though the situation should progressively improve as time passes.
Inner Mongolia's economy is totally different because China not only has mined that place for a long time but it is close enough to Beijing that it does not escape the central authorities much. They are building a subway on the capital for example. Then there is Ordos City. Remember that place typically shown in the "ghost cities" videos about China? Ordos City was built with the money of the local population which is actually quite rich because of, like I said, the mining business.
Between Inner Mongolia and Mongolia proper there is the Gobi Desert I think. So although there is some common cultural connection the populations are pretty much not connected. Not even the same country.
Inner Mongolia's economy is totally different because China not only has mined that place for a long time but it is close enough to Beijing that it does not escape the central authorities much. They are building a subway on the capital for example. Then there is Ordos City. Remember that place typically shown in the "ghost cities" videos about China? Ordos City was built with the money of the local population which is actually quite rich because of, like I said, the mining business.
Between Inner Mongolia and Mongolia proper there is the Gobi Desert I think. So although there is some common cultural connection the populations are pretty much not connected. Not even the same country.
Just some addition. Inner Mongolia's economy is far more than mining. Based on the coal mining, Baotou has developed to be the hub of strong industry such as steel, aluminium, machinery. It has two major weaponry companies (Norinco), one being the plant of MBT. Mercedes-Benz also has a coach plant there. Inner Mongolia is also one of the biggest agriculture base of China (cotton, wheat etc.)
Today's Inner Mongolia was only created in the early 1950s by merging multiple provinces or parts of (whole Suiyuan, Chahaer and part of Jilin, Liaoning and Heilongjiang) where there were significant Mongol population. The region was home to Han, Mongol, Manchu for a very long time. Mongols in this region practice a more settled life style not much different from Han and Manchu farmers, it is very different from Mongols in outer Mongolia who remain herders. That is the key made today's difference between Mongolian Republic and Inner Mongolia. Advancement always go from herding/hunting to farming to industry.
Hendrik_2000
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Exactly Batou is the arsenal town of China most of Chinese Tank and IFV are buiilt in Batou. Inner Mongolia also export electricity to other provinces by building hundred of Thermal generating plant right at the mouth of the mine. Not forgetting that Inner Mongolia is the center of Chinese dairy industry all the milk and derivative product like baby milk powder come from there. all and all it is big wealthy and well diversify province. It is ironic that inner mongolia preserve Mongolian culture better than mongolia where russification basically decimate any trace of Mongolian culture so much so that now thousand of Mongolian youth went to university in China to learn their heritage
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