Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?

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taxiya

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I totally agree with all you said.Heck even where I live 5g has no meaning for us. Unless one is fortunate enough to have a satellite internet connection, 56k modem dial up is the best that we can expect. 3g is the best we can expect for cell phones for the next 10yrs or so (we just upgraded from 2g a year ago) and even tthen ,we have to travel 20 miles up the road to receive a cell phone signal.
Thirst for more is a human natural, once you taste the ADSL, you can't go back to 56k modem, once you get 4G, 3G is unbearable, the same goes to 5G. 5G is not only about speed, it is about connecting everything, cars, telemeters, trains, drones etc.

BTW, I guess you live far away from a city, even so I am surprised that the nearest 3G tower is 20 miles away. No teasing intended :)
 

taxiya

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During the trade war, many jobs have been lost and China's economy has slowed down, which directly impacts the lives of many Chinese citizens. Has the Chinese public opinion been galvanized? Huawei is a single company. Would banning Huawei directly impact the lives of average Joes in China? Banning of Huawei in Europe would only hurt China's long-term strategic goal to peacefully dominate the world. Average Chinese citizens would simply go about their lives without feeling anything. Why would such act galvanize their opinion? If you ask any individual, Chinese, American or European, how 5G would impact their lives, the most likely answer would be "I don't know... the 4G LTE is pretty fast to me... I can watch/download movies online with no issue..." Many Chinese might be even questioning, at this very moment, why their country is spending that much effort (i.e. $$$) to do something "useless to them"... Many of them would rather their government spending more to improve the things that they can see and feel in their everyday lives.
Those are the individuals who only use their mobile phones for video, gaming and calling. There are many other entities who will give a very favourable answers to 5G.

5G is much more about what 4G/3G/2G can not do, IoT is probably the number one reason for that, latency is a demand born from IoT. 5G is going to connect not only mobile phones and computers, but self-driven cars, self-driven HSR trains and the recent demonstrated remote surgery. All these applications have zero tolerance of latency (train crash or butchering the patient). 4G started IoT, but due to its design (no differentiation of phone and surgical blade), it can never do such things. Another demand for 5G is the exponentially increased number of connected devices due to the introduction of massive IoT, 4G has fixed time slot for everybody, time slot is fixed, so are the fixed maximum number of devices being served. 5G makes it more flexible to disconnect devices or move them within the spectrum, therefor increase the number of serving devices in a given period of time.

Commoners are easily affected and tricked by mass medias, they in turn will block new things that serve them a better future. Another demonstration of commoners lack of deep understanding of big picture is in the phone/chip/LCD industry, where every commoner think Samsung is the king, or any other big commercial brand that sells things directly to the consumers. However all these Kings rely on a very few suppliers (not known by commoners) who make fabrication machines (machine that makes machines). These few are the true critical points and are as important as the big brands if not more important.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Excellent video why it is difficult for European company to bar Huawei

Allies are under U.S. pressure to shun Huawei. But the company's prevalence in existing telecom networks and dominance in 5G technology make that nearly impossible. Illustration: Crystal Tai

Huawei own 36% of the 5G technology patents, second company 14%. even if you don't use Huawei 5G you have to pay Huawei royalty for using their tech

 

Tam

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You have to pay China, not just Huawei, for 5G royalties. Aside from Huawei, the biggest patent holders in China are:

HiSilicon --- owned by Huawei but a subsidiary that files patents under its own name and separate from Huawei.

ZTE

Datang Telecom Technologies

RITT (Research Institute of Telecom Transmission)

CATR (China Academy of Telecom Research)

I also think that China Mobile and China Telecom also have patents and they have separate research institutes of their own. For example, CTBRI or China Telecom Beijing Research Institute, and CTSRI or China Telecom Shanghai Research Institute.
 

B.I.B.

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Thirst for more is a human natural, once you taste the ADSL, you can't go back to 56k modem, once you get 4G, 3G is unbearable, the same goes to 5G. 5G is not only about speed, it is about connecting everything, cars, telemeters, trains, drones etc.

BTW, I guess you live far away from a city, even so I am surprised that the nearest 3G tower is 20 miles away. No teasing intended :)

We dairy farm in the Catlins which is an area within the province of Southland. The area of the Catlins is nearly twice the size of Hong Kong, however, the resident population is about 1600-2000. While the most live in small towns which get reasonable cell phone coverage,. many of us farmers live further out in more isolated settlements of just a handful of families.Our settlement is under 20 people spread out over say 12sq miles
On the farm, we do have a satellite phone and internet package but it does not work very well. I don't retain the tech specifics very well, so I think our download speed is about 20 something something and is much slower than what the best copper line connection can give. It stops working in the rain and other atmospheric conditions and with provider restrictions, our connected time, amounts to about four working days. Our copper phone line does not work very well either and spends more times a week out of order than working there is a couple of places on the farm where I can get a cell signal of about 1bar Currently I pay $80 for 7gigs of data on my cell phone data. When I want to go online I drive to this place where the signal is stronger and use my . cell phone as a hotspot for my laptop.
Because of the topography, there are many signal blackspots we need more cellphone towers to what is currently provided.
Heres a article which best describe the problems we have down here
Community demands better communications in the south Catlins
Mary-Jo Tohill15:20, Aug 06 2018

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Chaslands resident Dianne Miller in a notorious black spot area of the Catlins at Samson Hill with no cellphone coverage, which is reliant on the copper landline network for essential communication, which she claims is unreliable

High above the Miller farm in the Chaslands, there is a log of wood marking a special spot.

This is where Dianne and Tony Miller can get cellphone reception when they need to, in an area of the south Catlins renowned for almost non-existent coverage and power cuts.

They have a satellite phone, but if all else fails - and the landline network does regularly - the elevated spot is where they can make contact with the outside world........

He is the Fire and Emergency New Zealand - Papatowai volunteer rural fire force controller and knows first-hand what can happen when comms go down at the station.


"If the phone line goes out, it becomes an issue."

The long stretch between Tokanui and Owaka on the Southern Scenic Route between Invercargill and Balclutha is a mobile dead zone.

The only spot along this section of State Highway 6 to have Mobile Black Spot funding dished out is Waikawa and Waikawa south, near Curio Bay.

Many people in this sparsely populated area between Papatowai and Tokanui rely on landlines for essential communication, and even then it's not the most reliable.

A Chorus spokesman said trees, weather and atmospheric conditions often blocked signals to radio towers and contributed to outages, and that the network was only designed to supply basic phone services in the remote area.

Residents are concerned the increase in tourism to the Catlins is cause for alarm without reliable communication.

Not only that, but poor coverage could impact on emergency services and response times, and a lack of cost effective technology could hinder business growth and education.

Dianne raised her concerns with Crown Infrastructure Government and Industry Affairs general manager Nick Manning during a meeting with Crown infrastructure partners recently.

"I was keen to push the point that we have a failing landline network and cannot afford to lose this very basic service as we have some elderly with health issues that rely on this service, also our local fire station.

"This area can lose the phone for up to four days a week and not many weeks go by when it has not had a fault."

Manning said he was not mandated to comment on the situation but was able to update the community on phase two of the Rural Broadband Initiative and Mobile Black Spots fund rolling out across the country over the next four years.

Since the meeting, Manning said he had discussed the community's concerns with the ministers involved and the Rural Connectivity Group, who is responsible for installing the 4G broadband towers.

"Depending on the location and configuration of these towers, this new mobile coverage is likely to spill over onto the roads along the south coast."

The group was also finalising a tender for an additional $105 million of funding, which may result in the Catlins receiving more towers or coverage, he said.

However, Dianne said it was "not good enough" that people were having to put up with an ageing landline infrastructure in the meantime.

"While I think it's great ... [more towers are] not going to benefit everyone because of the hilly terrain."

Clutha Southland MP Hamish Walker initiated Manning's visit and said: "Internet is as essential as our roads".

"For us to attract people to the district we need to be connected to the world through broadband. It is vital that rural New Zealand has high speed, reliable internet so that locals, businesses, medical centres, schools and tourists can go about their day efficiently and effectively.

"I am also concerned that volunteer fire stations don't have good cellphone coverage in the Catlins, or the medical centre in Owaka and the surrounding areas."

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B.I.B.

Captain
I think the misinformation spread by US regime to convince countries to miss 5G has gone to your head.

You mean not to use Huawei rather than give 5g a miss.?
Regarding "the internet of things" While some of these suggested applications can be useful, others are debatable imo. eg
Despite removing risky maneuvers by drivers, I certainly do not see the need for driverless vechiles of any type what so ever. Driverless brings a new set of risks, and for a lot people driving is enjoyable.
Even before 5g I was not a user of internet applications. That's I do not or have


Do online banking/payments
Use electronic mail
Have no interest whatsoever in online shopping
I always pay by cash or cheque
In store loyalty cards.

Anyway when I go shopping for a computer/TV or some fancy sound system clothes, I offer the manager /store owner, cash with a 35% discount on his sticker price, reminding him that in a few months time hes gonna put the said item up for a "Black Friday Sale" or something similar. It works well.
 

B.I.B.

Captain
i'm not a tech junkie but the thought of downloading an entire 4K movie in 3 seconds is very appealing to me! if you wanna be stuck in 2G, 3G be my guest but 5G for me please.
Downloading a movie in 3s would be great but with the way the providers charge over here,it would be prohibitively expensive i think.
 

B.I.B.

Captain
Unlike the US, China has reached 99% 4G network coverage. The limited high-speed coverage that exists in US rural areas has only been possible due to Huawei equipment.

Ok, but the question here is whether it works flawlessly?
I found this from a Wiki contributor.

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"The biggest problem of phone usage in rural parts of the country was the poor reception since in some areas getting the mobile signal required climbing on the highest mountain top in the neighbourhood or on the top of the horse on some hill.
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