Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?

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B.I.B.

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Why do you ask? Are they also trying to get rid of the US bases like Okinawa?

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Thursday, 28 February 2019

Saudi Arabia’s Minister of Communications, Abdullah al-Swaha, has said that Riyadh is open to anyone, including Chinese telecom giant Huawei, as long as regulatory and security requirements are complied with.

I'm assuming, with Etisalat using Huawei to roll out 5g in the Emirates,the U.S. if true to form should be going hard out to convince other Arab countries from doing the same. However it seems rather quiet when compared with their efforts in Europe.


Huawei to help Saudi Arabia become world’s top 5G country
By Chu Daye Source:Global Times Published: 2019/2/22 14:26:08
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Initiative.

"Xue said his company will support Saudi Arabia in its drive, and Huawei is ready to invest $20 million per year in its three local research centers, cooperate closely with 140 local suppliers, procure $500 million worth of local equipment annually and add 10,000 local jobs in Saudi Arabia in the future.

To further the kingdom's drive toward a digital economy, Xue said Huawei will train 10,000 Saudi talents in the ICT sector, of which 5,000 will obtain vocational certification before 2020.

Huawei opened in January its first flagship store in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, which is also its largest store in the Middle East and Africa.

In 2018, Huawei's smart phones held the second largest market share in terms of sales in Saudi Arabia, according to Xue.

In 2016, Huawei became the first Chinese company to be granted a 100-percent ownership in Saudi Arabia.

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weig2000

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It appears that these days US officials will tell anyone and everyone willing or not willing to listen that Huawei is a national security threat and must be banned. What kind of intelligence information would Chinese government want to obtain from Brazil, even utilizing Huawei equipment?

U.S. warns Brazil about Huawei and 5G in talks: senior U.S. official
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - U.S. officials have warned their Brazilian counterparts of their security concerns about Chinese telecom equipment maker Huawei Technologies Co during talks in Washington, a senior American official said on Monday.

The United States has said Huawei technology in next-generation 5G networks could be used to spy on the West. China has rejected the accusations.

The 5G issue is one of many security, defense and trade matters on the agenda as President Donald Trump and Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro are slated to meet for the first time on Tuesday.

"They (Brazilian officials) have had a whole host of different meetings here where they've heard from our experts on security, intelligence matters, and otherwise in order to understand the consequences of these networks and how frankly dangerous and how they could undermine their security domestically," the U.S. official told reporters on a conference call, speaking on condition of anonymity.

A Brazilian official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Brazil did not want to get in between the United States and China on the Huawei dispute. The official said that at the moment, no barriers were foreseen for Huawei in Brazil.

Bolsonaro, who embraced closer ties with the United States during his campaign for office last year, visited the CIA on Monday.

Brazil is also working during the trip to win U.S. backing for economic reforms to win its support to join the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD).

The U.S. official told reporters that Brazil's efforts on economic and regulatory reform were welcome.

"We see those efforts and that positive movement in a favorable light and clearly we want to help Brazil achieve its goals and will do everything we can in order to help them achieve their goal," the official said.

(Reporting by Roberta Rampton and Lisandra Paraguassu, Editing by G Crosse and Alistair Bell)
 

manqiangrexue

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American threats to cut intel-sharing with anyone who uses Huawei is a joke. Nobody needs intel-sharing more than the US because the US is the only one of these countries fighting for the top spot in the world. Germany, UK, France, Italy, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, etc... none of them have real threats facing them. The one facing a dire threat desperately needing continuous intel to help cope with is the US, threatened by China for the spot of most powerful nation.
 
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It's the same anywhere around the world including PRC.

So far you have not provided any tangible source for non-existent law to support your claim which must clearly be false. Hence, Nothing is preventing Governor Denny Tamaki from employing Huawei if he so desire to serve the wish of his constituents. Pompeo can either act on his threat or look a fool for making it.
 

weig2000

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With Germany officially began to auction 5G spectrum yesterday without banning Huawei to participate in the 5G network buildout, Bloomberg essentially calls the failure of the US blockage of Huawei, at least in Europe. It's not clear at this point what the next steps for the Trump administration.

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  • U.S. says Chinese technology opens backdoor to spies
  • ‘If the Americans have evidence, please put it out’: Vodafone
Last summer, the Trump administration started a campaign to convince its European allies to bar China’s
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from their telecom networks. Bolstered by the success of similar efforts in Australia and New Zealand, the White House sent envoys to European capitals with warnings that Huawei’s gear would open a backdoor for Chinese spies. The U.S. even threatened to cut off intelligence sharing if Europe ignored its advice. So far, not a single European country has banned Huawei.

“There are two things I don’t believe in,” German Chancellor Angela Merkel said at a conference Tuesday in Berlin. “First, to discuss these very sensitive security questions publicly, and second, to exclude a company simply because it’s from a certain country.’’

Europe, caught in the middle of the U.S.-China trade war, has sought to balance concerns about growing Chinese influence with a desire to increase business with the region’s second-biggest trading partner. With no ban in the works, Huawei is in the running for contracts to build 5G phone networks, the ultra-fast wireless technology Europe’s leaders hope will fuel the growth of a data-based economy.

The U.K.’s spy chief has indicated that a ban on Huawei is unlikely, citing a lack of viable alternatives to upgrade British telecom networks. Italy’s government has
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the U.S. warnings as it seeks to boost trade with China. In Germany, authorities have proposed tighter security rules for data networks rather than outlawing Huawei. France is doing the same after initially flirting with the idea of restrictions on Huawei.


“The 5G rollout is one of the most complex and expensive technology projects ever undertaken,” said Paul Triolo, an analyst at Eurasia Group, a political risk consultancy. “The challenge for Europe is to find a way that minimizes the security risks linked to Chinese suppliers but not delay 5G, which is so important to the region.”

Governments listened to phone companies such as Vodafone Group Plc, Deutsche Telekom AG, and Orange SA, who warned that sidelining Huawei would delay the implementation of 5G by years and add billions of euros in cost.

“We’ve not seen any evidence of backdoors into the network,” said Helen Lamprell, Vodafone’s top lawyer and chief lobbyist in the U.K. “If the Americans have evidence, please put it out on the table.”

The pressure has been building for months. The U.S. in February dispatched representatives to MWC Barcelona, the industry’s top annual trade show, who urged executives and politicians to avoid Huawei and its Chinese peers. And this month, the U.S. ambassador in Berlin wrote a letter to the German government saying it should drop Huawei or risk throttling U.S. intelligence sharing.

While carriers can also buy equipment from the likes of Ericsson AB, Nokia Oyj, and Samsung Electronics Co., industry consultants say Huawei’s quality is high, and the company last year filed 5,405 global patents, more than double the filings by Ericsson and Nokia combined. And some European lawmakers have been wary of Cisco Systems Inc., Huawei’s American rival, since Edward Snowden leaked documents revealing the National Security Agency’s use of U.S.-made telecom equipment for spying.

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Between 2013 and 2018, Huawei increased its telecom market share by 8 percentage points
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Huawei isn’t necessarily safe. In Germany, hard-liners in the intelligence community say the company isn’t trustworthy, and updated security rules the government is drafting could make it harder for Huawei to win contracts. Denmark’s biggest phone company, TDC A/S, declined to renew a contract with Huawei and instead picked Ericsson as strategic partner to develop its 5G network. Across Europe, the Shenzhen-based company is under pressure to allow greater scrutiny of its technology and increase assurances its equipment can’t be accessed by Chinese spies.

Huawei has “placed cyber security and user privacy protection at the very top of its priorities,” a company representative said by email. Safeguarding networks is the joint responsibility of vendors, telecom companies, and regulators, he said.

So far, there’s little evidence to suggest Europe will shun Huawei. National railway companies in Germany and Austria have bought the company’s equipment, and carriers such as Deutsche Telekom and Telefonica are running 5G test projects with its products.

Huawei’s global revenue growth accelerated in the first two months of the year, climbing by more than a third, founder Ren Zhengfei said last week. And the company says sales of its smartphones doubled in Germany during the same period.

“We don’t know what the U.S.’s next move is, so it’s not over yet,” said Bengt Nordstrom, CEO of telecom consultancy Northstream. “But whatever market share Huawei may lose in Europe, they’ll win back in China.”

— With assistance by Thomas Seal, Helene Fouquet, Nick Wadhams, Daniele Lepido, and Kitty Donaldson
 

Nutrient

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“But whatever market share Huawei may lose in Europe, they’ll win back in China.” [said Bengt Nordstrom, CEO of telecom consultancy Northstream

Not only that. If Europe bans Huawei, the Chinese can retaliate by banning Airbus.
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, and associated services will be worth even more -- $1.5 trillion. Boeing's 737 Max 8 disaster means Airbus will have a large advantage in the Chinese market -- an advantage it could easily lose.

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(in China) next year. So China will not suffer from banning Airbus.

I doubt the Europeans would want to lose two trillion dollars just to please an untrustworthy and unreliable Trump.
 
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Not only that. If Europe bans Huawei, the Chinese can retaliate by banning Airbus.
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, and associated services will be worth even more -- $1.5 trillion. Boeing's 737 Max 8 disaster means Airbus will have a large advantage in the Chinese market -- an advantage it could easily lose.

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(in China) next year. So China will not suffer from banning Airbus.

I doubt the Europeans would want to lose two trillion dollars just to please an untrustworthy and unreliable Trump.

I suspect the only reason Germans are pushing back against the Huawei rhetoric is due to German automaker presence in China.

If they piss off Chinese consumers and Trump places an auto-tariff, it's going to be tough for the Germans who need a surplus to fund their expenditures.
 
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technology gradually applied in China

As a new generation of mobile communication technology, 5G plays an important role in promoting the deep integration of
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, and the real economy. The cutting-edge technology is being gradually applied in various aspects in China, offering citizens more convenience and smarter technology.

The Shanghai University of Engineering Science, for example, has introduced 5G technology onto its campus, becoming the nation’s first university equipped with the advanced network. Specifically, the Joint Innovation Laboratory of 5G + Artificial Intelligence Application has been set up to study ultra-high 8K codecs, digital copyright protection, and big data based on the AVS2 audio-video coding standard with independent intellectual property rights.

In addition to 5G+8K ultra-high video applications, unmanned vehicles, inspections via drones, and VR high-definition video will also be put into operation soon.

Meanwhile, the university will apply 5G technology to education and build 5G-equipped libraries and classrooms.

Not limited to campus, 5G technology has also been applied to other fields in China.

E-commerce giant
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has announced that it will build the nation’s first 5G intelligent logistics demonstration park in Shanghai, which will be equipped with automate movement, sorting, and inspection, and overall management technologies.

In other cities like Beijing, 5G technology has already been put into operation in some places. In Yuyuantan Park, 5G technology is being used to help visitors during the season of cherry blossoms, marking the first time that 5G has been applied in a tourist site.

The park management center is utilizing the high-speed, large-bandwidth, and low-latency characteristic of the network to solve the problems of online ticket purchases and signal congestion during the peak hours. Meanwhile, 31 high-definition AI cameras were installed to cope with the demand for temporary large-capacity expansion and ensure tourist safety.

5G+Rural Revitalization is another highlight of the application of 5G. A 8K ultra-high-definition camera was put into service to live stream the flower festival held in Chongzhou, southwest China’s Sichuan province. Visitors can also watch view the sea of flowers and historical sites from above thanks to a 5G drone.

In addition, an online business platform was set up in Chongzhou to help locals sell local specialty agricultural products across China. Through improved traceability, customers can view a product from production to delivery."
 
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Beijing’s top official in Hong Kong taunts Washington over Huawei executive’s arrest, calling it ‘world’s biggest advertisement’
  • Director of mainland China’s liaison office says ‘Now, many of my friends and I are using Huawei phones’
  • Wang Zhimin’s remarks came at forum to discuss outcomes of mainland China’s annual political sessions
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Beijing’s top official in Hong Kong has taken a swipe at the United States, saying Canada’s arrest of Huawei’s chief financial officer last year at Washington’s request only boosted the tech giant’s global fame.

Wang Zhimin, director of Beijing’s liaison office in Hong Kong, said on Wednesday that the arrest of Sabrina Meng Wanzhou was actually “the world’s biggest advertisement for Huawei’s 5G technology”.

“Now, many of my friends and I are using Huawei phones, and we are proud of our nation’s technological leadership. I believe Hong Kong will play a more important role as the nation innovates,” Wang said.

Meng, who was arrested in Vancouver on December 1, was wanted in the US on fraud charges relating to alleged breaches of sanctions against Iran. Washington ordered Meng extradition from Canada, but she remains there awaiting legal proceedings.

Wang’s remarks came as he addressed hundreds of local politicians and businessmen at a forum on the outcomes of the annual session of the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference, the nation’s top advisory body, and the National People’s Congress (NPC), which concluded on March 15.

Ma Fung-kwok, a NPC deputy who has been using a Huawei phone for more than a year, said he agreed with Wang.

“It was objectively true that Huawei gained international fame,” he said.

Another NPC deputy, David Wong Yau-kar, said Wang was just highlighting China’s technological strength.

“China started much later than many other countries, and it has done well in areas such as 5G and high-speed railways,” he said. “There is still much to be done on some other areas, but the US, Japan and Germany are not the world’s leaders in all technological fields.”

Wang said President Xi Jinping and Premier Li Keqiang made important remarks during the annual sessions that would guide the nation and influence Hong Kong’s economic development in the years to come.

In his annual report on March 5, Li said Hong Kong and Macau would develop and progress with the mainland as they seized opportunities under Beijing’s ambitious “
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” plan. The plan aims at turning the two cities and nine neighbouring cities into an innovation and technological powerhouse rivalling Silicon Valley by 2035.
Wang said Li’s remarks mean that Hong Kong, especially its technology sector, will thrive under the bay area project.

“Some people questioned if the plan would weaken the ‘one country, two systems’ principle,” Wang said, in a reference to Beijing’s governing principle under which Hong Kong was guaranteed a high degree of autonomy.

“But, in fact, it would enrich the implementation of the principle. Hong Kong will always be the homeground and a protagonist in the planning and implementation of the plan,” he added.

Wang suggested that some political groups in Hong Kong had ignored the public’s support for the plan, and insisted on opposing it.

“If you bury your head in the sand and do not respect public opinion, you will be eventually left behind in this societal trend. So, don’t oppose for the sake of opposition,” he said.

He said that when the bay area blueprint was drafted, Beijing had accepted all policies recommended by Chief Executive Carrie Lam Cheng Yuet-ngor.
 

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I suspect the only reason Germans are pushing back against the Huawei rhetoric is due to German automaker presence in China.

If they piss off Chinese consumers and Trump places an auto-tariff, it's going to be tough for the Germans who need a surplus to fund their expenditures.

Cars could certainly be a reason for Germany's reluctance to ban Huawei.

But you might be surprised at how important Airbus is to Germany's economy.
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, France's share of Airbus is only slightly larger than Germany's (11.10% versus 11.09%). So we can expect the two countries to benefit almost equally from the company. Thanks to Boeing's 737 Max 8 disaster, Airbus has the chance to grab most of China's $2.5 trillion airline market ($1 trillion for the planes, another $1.5 trillion for services). The Europeans could lose all that if they join the U.S.'s fight against Huawei and China.
 
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