Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?

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  1. tidalwave
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    It's more like individual sacrifice himself or herself for collective goods of others or for a greater cause. It's called self sacrifice.

    So Japanese kamakazi attack because they felt guilty?

    Makes no sense.
     
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    The Japanese used Kamakazi because they were losing the war and they were desperate. The moment they started using kamazaki, the Americans knew that they have beaten the Japanese. Like I've said before, only losers and wrongdoers commit suicide. Did the Japanese use the Kamazaki in 1937 when they started the invasion and were winning in China? No one in their right mind would kill themselves when they are winning.

    Committing suicide is an ultimate sign of weakness, in any culture. A life is the most valuable asset of any living being. No one would choose to do that if given an alternative. If you have all kinds of cards in your hands, no one would choose the worst option. A suicide means you no longer have any alternative. That naturally implies that you are losing badly.

    Self sacrifice is only used when you are losing, in any culture.

    More importantly, a life is the most precious thing in this world. When you suggest Meng to take her life for the greater good, whose greater good is it? Yours? Will you be one of the supposed beneficiaries? She takes her life so that you, among others, can benefit from her death?

    Advocating someone to take her life is a very immoral thing to do. No one has the right to do that. You claim to understand East Asian culture. You should know the story of Jin Ke assassination of the First Emperor. Jin Ke was a famous assassin and was asked to assassinate the First Emperor. In order to get close to the Emperor, he needed to get close to the Emperor by gaining his trust. the assassin knew that the Emperor hated two people the most. So he went to see these two people and asked them to commit suicide. He could hand their heads to the First Emperor, thus gaining the Emperor's trust. When Jin Ke went to talk to these two people, he promised them 2 things: (1) he would try his best to kill the Emperor and finish his job; (2) once the job was done, he promised that he would kill himself to honor the deaths and self-sacrifice of these two people.

    As you can see, you cannot simply ask someone to commit suicide. Even in ancient times, asking someone else to commit suicide has been considered a very immoral thing. The only way to justify such unreasonable request would be for the requester to also commit suicide, thus honoring the self sacrifice committed by the requested. So, are you ready to honor Meng if she takes up your request?
     
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    Apple price cut fail to revive sale Guess they run out of option They become noncompetitive fast
    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/apos-why-apple-apos-iphone-110000849.html
    Here's Why Apple's iPhone Price Cuts in China Might Not Be Working

    My colleague Evan Niu recently went over a report from Longbow Research in which the analysts claim that despite substantial iPhone price cuts in China, iPhone demand just isn't picking up.

    Indeed, the report claimed that iPhone search trends in China weakened and that "February supplier sales were abysmal, decelerating on a year over year basis vs. January."

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    Image source: Apple.

    This report seems to point to fundamental issues with Apple's (NASDAQ: AAPL) product lineup and competitiveness in the region.

    Why aren't price cuts working?
    If there were significant interest in Apple's latest crop of iPhones but some consumers were simply holding off because the prices were too high, then price cuts should have helped drive incremental demand for the products. And these price cuts were significant. As Reuters pointed out in January, iPhone resellers in China cut iPhone XR prices by as much as $118.

    But if one argues that Apple still isn't cutting prices enough to have a significant impact on demand, then it must mean Apple's current iPhone lineup just isn't competitive enough to command what the company is asking for them.

    This, unfortunately for Apple, seems like a plausible explanation.

    For example, Apple rival Huawei, China's top seller of smartphones, saw its smartphone shipments grow in the region even when Apple and other smartphone makers were reporting declines there. This isn't totally an apples-to-apples comparison, as Huawei plays more broadly across the various smartphone price points than Apple does, but the China-based smartphone maker also seems to be enjoying significant success with its own premium smartphones that, in some ways, are differentiated relative to Apple's offerings.

    In fact, even Samsung (NASDAQOTH: SSNLF), which saw its market share in the Greater China region decimated over the years as it struggled to compete with local Chinese smartphone vendors, is seeing some renewed success in the region. According to TF International Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo, the Galaxy S10-series is enjoying "much better-than-expected demand in [the] China market."

    The Galaxy S10-series devices, too, are differentiated from Apple's current offerings, according to the analyst, with features like "ultrasonic fingerprint on display, rear triple-camera, and bilateral wireless charging."

    In simple terms, Apple just doesn't have the right product line to achieve its unit shipment or revenue goals.

    A better product offering could do the trick
    I think Apple's iPhone business performance in Greater China will improve when the company's product offerings become more competitive on features and capabilities. The Chinese smartphone market is extremely competitive and filled with hungry players willing to launch a large number of products and iterate on them quickly in a bid to capture market share. Apple's product development and launch strategy needs to adapt for it to, at a minimum, stabilize its current market share in the region.

    Apple's current iPhone lineup is simply a dud in the Greater China region. In about six months, the company should announce a new lineup of iPhones, and I'll be watching closely to see if these new devices help improve the company's situation in the region or if the market share and revenue declines will persist.
     
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    Well Wechat does everything and no one in China uses ApplePay. Now everyone going towards folding phones and Apple just ain't a folding phone company.

    Also, just maybe some Chinese are boycotting US products?
     
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    You are way over the top, man.
     
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    Read somewhere yesterday that Mnuchin and other former wallstreeters are trying to include in the trade deal conditions that pull the U.S. back somewhat from its offensive stance against Huawei. Also in a Washington Post article from December, it was revealed that Huawei is a fairly regular financial contributor to the Brookings Institution, which also happens to be the institution that published the reports about China's GDP being small.
     
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    Apple's death has really nothing to do with China. It is wholly its own fault anywhere on this planet.

    iPhone XR is sold at about 850EUR. Huawei's P30 lite has not come out with a price, but P20 lite is 440EUR, half of XR. Both are the lowest version of their line. Even Samsung's S10e (the cheap one) only cost 680EUR.

    The reason that people buy iPhone is not because it has the best spec, but ONLY the eco system that they are tied to. "Once apple always apple". Even that rope is not strong enough now, as Apple's is continuing improve the price without the performance. It is only a matter of time when Apple fans (slaves) say "enough is enough".

    P.S. I picked an iPhone X recently, hehe:D, because company paid for it in a massive deal with operator. The deal charges equal price on either Samsung S9 and iPhone X. While street price is 490EUR vs 1000EUR. Apparently the operator is cutting iPhone price in Europe as well.
     
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    now I read this
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    Donald Trump demands US allies join his Huawei blacklist, but what is he offering in return?
    • The Trump administration’s America-first agenda is not compatible with its new cold war, which requires allies to forgo Chinese technology at their own expense
    Updated: 4:18am, 16 Mar, 2019 https://www.scmp.com/comment/insigh...01808/donald-trump-demands-us-allies-join-his
     
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    Obama was paying allies to fight China through TPP, while Trump is pointing guns at allies to fight China. Lucky for China that it is Trump in white house. :D I hope by the time somebody else enters white house, OBOR has went so far to be counteracted and RCEP has been signed.
     
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    The real reason why Apple isn't selling so well in China? Its because many Chinese phones are now that good. I can go hands on with the latest midrange to top end phones from Huawei, Xiaomi, Oppo, Vivo, Meizu and Numbia, and I get cheek red, grinning ear to ear from being absolutely impressed.

    Bought a Xiaomi Mi Mix 3, as that blew me away.

     

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