Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?

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    Nah, it's more likely they just stretching this out to make it seem like Germany had no choice in the matter. Which they really don't.
     
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    Free market is codeword for “free for us to plunder”.
     
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    I have two reactions to this.

    First, in calling for the U.S. and the EU to gang up on China, Malmström is actually admitting that the U.S. can't take on China by itself.

    And second, good luck setting Europe against China. Europe is hardly growing at all, while China is still growing at 6 percent a year. European businesses will not want to stagnate, allowing Chinese competitors to grow enormously larger than them.

    So China has quite a bit of leverage on the EU when it comes to Huawei.
     
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    Via Beidou2020. China do have chip making equipment fabricator but they are still msall compare to the like of ASML and Applied Material But they are coming see my next post via xyz
    Chinese companies rush to make own chips as trade war bites
    Internet giants Baidu and Alibaba plan AI semiconductors

    https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Ch...ies-rush-to-make-own-chips-as-trade-war-bites

    SHUNSUKE TABETA, Nikkei staff writerNovember 07, 2018 10:04 JST
    [​IMG]Calls for self-reliance in China's semiconductor industry come as the U.S. tightens export controls of high technology. © Reuters

    BEIJING -- Chinese high-tech companies are rushing to produce their own semiconductors as rising trade and security tensions with the U.S. increase the risk that supplies from outside may be squeezed.

    Internet search engine operator Baidu, e-commerce giant Alibaba Group Holding and household electronics maker Gree Electric Appliances are among those who have moved into chip development as Washington attempts to curb China's growing influence in cutting edge technologies.

    "China has relied on imports for high-performance chips, but that can change in the age of artificial intelligence," Baidu CEO Robin Li recently said.


    Despite being the world's largest semiconductor market, making up 40% of the global market on a value basis, China sources only 10% of its chips domestically, according to domestic media. China's semiconductor imports totaled $260 billion last year, beating the tally for oil.

    President Xi Jinping has called for self-reliance in the industry after the U.S. cracked down on trade with certain high-tech Chinese companies. The leader has set a target of boosting the ratio to 40% domestic production by 2020 and 70% five years later. However Chinese companies could still face obstacles as the U.S. has now begun to crack down on the export of vital chip-making equipment.

    Meanwhile, Baidu has unveiled its "Kunlun" chip for artificial intelligence computing that can be used to process large amounts of data, like sounds or images from cloud devices for voice recognition software or automated driving. The chip will feature a 14-nanometer Samsung Electronics process. Details about mass production and shipments have not been revealed.

    Alibaba, which has been pouring resources into cloud services, has also entered the semiconductor business. Chairman Jack Ma made the announcement soon after the U.S. Department of Commerce barred suppliers in the country from doing business with Chinese telecommunications equipment maker ZTE, which was forced to halt smartphone production because it was unable to procure American chips.

    "The market of chips is controlled by America... and suddenly they stop selling," said Ma in late April.

    Addressing these concerns, Ma recruited talent from U.S. chipmakers like Nvidia to form Pingtouge Semiconductor, an offshoot of Alibaba's chip division. The company plans to begin shipments in 2019 for semiconductors used in AI that analyze large amounts of data.

    The chips will first be used in cloud service devices for smart cities that help efficiently manage urban areas. Applications will then be expanded to automated driving and voice recognition.

    Gree Electric, meanwhile, invested 1 billion yuan ($145 million at current rates) in August to establish a wholly-owned semiconductor subsidiary to enter the chip development field. The company had conducted research on semiconductors for such uses as air conditioner control panels, but with few results.

    But after ZTE's trouble, Gree Chairperson Dong Mingzhu told Chinese Central Television that the company was not afraid to invest 50 billion yuan to secure core technologies and succeed in semiconductor research, setting up the new unit shortly thereafter. The subsidiary will concentrate on chip design, but could also be involved in production.

    Konka Group, a maker of home electronics like televisions, also set up a semiconductor division in May, and is considering an acquisition in the industry. The segment aims for sales of 10 billion yuan in five to 10 years.

    Huawei Technologies said in October that it would begin mass producing high-performance AI chips. Their processing power will be the fastest in the world, topping rival products from companies like Nvidia, said CEO Eric Xu.

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    Semiconductors are divided into memory for information and large-scale integration for processing data. Internet companies like Baidu are developing LSI chips for specific applications. Production will likely be outsourced to specialized contract manufacturers.

    The first of those companies, Yangtze Memory Technologies -- also known as Yangtze River Storage Technology or Changjiang Storage -- focuses on cutting-edge, three-dimensional NAND flash memory. Innotron Memory, meanwhile, targets DRAM for mobile devices, while Fujian Jinhua Integrated Circuit Co., or JHICC, focuses on DRAM for home electronics. The companies have invested the equivalent of billions of dollars in their efforts. Once production gets under way in earnest, their presence will put heavy downward pressure on the market.

    Players in developed economies have a company grip on manufacturing commodity-grade memory, with companies like South Korea's Samsung and America's Micron Technology, as well as a lead in developing large-scale integrated circuits. Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. and its compatriots are strong in contract manufacturing. Chinese internet and home electronics companies have started making the specific kinds of chips they need, a niche area of the overall market.

    Xi has proposed two major initiatives to boost local semiconductor production: offering income tax breaks for up to five years for companies that meet or exceed a certain chip production target, and setting up three state-led memory companies.

    However, China has not built up manufacturers of chipmaking equipment to supply the trio, so it imports equipment heavily from the West -- a method that faces uncertainty as wary eyes are cast on Chinese high-tech industries from Washington and elsewhere.

    The U.S. Department of Justice announced Thursday that a federal grand jury had indicted JHICC on charges of economic espionage for stealing manufacturing secrets from Micron. Before that, Washington had already slapped the company with an export ban preventing it from obtaining U.S.-made equipment, a move seen as severely impeding its efforts to enter mass production.

    China's homegrown chipmakers also face a serious shortage of technicians. Although JHICC's problems began with an effort to headhunt talent from Micron, the company and its compatriots are apparently still trying to lure veterans from European and American players, raising the possibility of further tension with the West.

    In September, Xi said China "must stick with the path of self-reliance amid rising unilateralism and protectionism" -- a statement taken as a sign of his desire to build up China's technological muscle and oppose the U.S. But as for increasing China's proportion of homemade chips, a core step in that effort, the seas ahead look rough.
     
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    via xyz ook like this year they will assembled lithograph with 10 nm accuracy
    "EUV lithography source to achieve the accuracy of tens of nanometers, the future can serve as a useful complement to a method of manufacturing a chip." Yang Xueming said.

    Next Generation "Dalian source" will increase the brightness of 10,000 times

    https://laser.ofweek.com/2019-03/ART-240001-8120-30310882.html
    2019-03-12 10:36 Source: China Science and Technology Network


    Introduction: "next generation" Dalian source 'will have a higher brightness, the frequency of photons per second is increased from 50 to 100 million times, 1 times the average brightness will increase. "

    "Next generation" Dalian source 'will have a higher brightness, the frequency of photons per second is increased from 50 to 100 million times, 1 times the average brightness will increase. "During the two sessions, NPC, CAS Dalian Institute of chemical Physics Academy of Sciences researcher Yang Xueming told reporters, a sufficient brightness can not probe light source and the field of observation before.

    "Dalian source" is the world's first EUV FEL means Free Electron January 15, 2017 Sunrise light, generated by the laser can be a molecule "movie." " 'Dalian source' is currently running smoothly, this year will be integrated into large scientific platform Chinese Academy of Sciences." Yang Xueming said, "Next, we want to build a second hand 'Dalian sources', on the other hand under the pre-research generation source. "

    Yang Xueming explanation, the first light source generates a single picosecond (10-12 second) laser pulses , not polarized; second light source may generate tens of femtoseconds (10-15 seconds) of the laser pulses, and can be any polarization angle (angle of light).

    "Need to change the polarization undulator, the very beginning of the construction money to buy, so the running is the most basic light source." Yang Xueming said, is building a second light source will be "upgrade." If the "Dalian source" is understood to iPhone6, it is building a second light source is iPhone6S, while being pre-research of next-generation light source, it is able to bring breakthrough innovation of Huawei folding screen phone.

    The average luminance of the light source next sudden increase of 4 orders of magnitude, i.e. 10,000 times. Photon laser frequency from 50 times per second to produce raised to 1 million times. Yang Xueming introduced, brighter, clearer vision, the detection sensitivity can be enhanced. For example, the combustion process will see the superb aircraft, will see the process of laser excitation, and even the use of extreme ultraviolet light source research chip lithography.

    "EUV lithography source to achieve the accuracy of tens of nanometers, the future can serve as a useful complement to a method of manufacturing a chip." Yang Xueming said.

    (Reporter: Zhang Jia Xing)

    下一代“大连光源”亮度将提高1万倍
    2019-03-12 10:36 来源: 中国科技网



    导读: “下一代的‘大连光源’将会有更高的亮度,光子产生的频率从每秒50次提升到100万次,平均亮度将增加1万倍。”

    “下一代的‘大连光源’将会有更高的亮度,光子产生的频率从每秒50次提升到100万次,平均亮度将增加1万倍。”两会期间,全国人大代表、中国科学院大连化学物理研究所研究员杨学明院士向记者表示,足够亮度的光源将观察到之前无法探及的领域。

    “大连光源”是世界首台极紫外波段的自由电子激光装置,于2017年1月15日出光,产生的自由电子激光能够给分子“拍电影”。“‘大连光源’目前运行平稳,今年将被纳入中国科学院大科学装置平台。”杨学明说,“下一步,我们一方面想要建造第二个‘大连光源’,另一方面在预研下一代光源。”

    杨学明解释,第一个光源产生单个皮秒(10-12秒)的激光脉冲,不能偏振;第二个光源则可以产生几十个飞秒(10-15秒)的激光脉冲,且能进行任何角度的偏振(光的角度)。

    “改偏振需要安装波荡器,最开始建的时候没钱买,所以正在运行的是最基础的光源。”杨学明说,正在建造的第二个光源会成为“升级版”。如果将“大连光源”理解为iPhone6,那么正在建造的第二个光源是iPhone6S,而正在预研的下一代光源,则是能带来突破性创新的华为折叠屏手机。

    下一代光源的平均亮度将一下子增加4个数量级,也就是1万倍。光子激光产生的频率从每秒50次提升到100万次。杨学明介绍,更亮、视野更清晰,将可以进行更强灵敏度的探测。例如,会看到高超飞行器的燃烧过程,也会看到激光激发的过程,甚至可以利用极紫外光源进行芯片光刻的研究。

    “极紫外光源能够达到十几纳米的光刻精度,未来可以作为芯片制造方法的有益补充。”杨学明说。
     
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    It appears that some resolution about Ms. Meng's case is being cooking. In fact, I think the least damaging and easiest path for all involved would be for Canada to refuse the extradition request from the US and set Ms. Meng. Canada would have looked like a fool throughout all this process, but at least a fool who eventually has found his way and minimize the damage and blowback, all the while to spare the US a lot of troubles.

     
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    that’s a bit of a stretch there. she’s a billionaire and a mom. not a martyr or a fanatic.
     
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    your professor's name:
     
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    quickly found using google what might be related to what I've asked
    tidalwave
    right above:
    US-China tensions played no part in death of renowned Stanford professor Zhang Shoucheng, family says
    • The family of physicist denies Chinese social media rumours that his death was due to US-China tensions or the arrest of Huawei’s CFO
    • Zhang died on Saturday after a long battle with depression
    Updated: 5:20pm, 8 Dec, 2018 https://www.scmp.com/news/china/soc...nsions-played-no-part-death-renowned-stanford
     
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    That professor has strong collaboration with Huawei, trying to commercialized what he has done research at lab.

    The leftover family members don't want to implicate further in this matter and go in with life, of course they would say something like that. Depression is cause of suicide reportedly. Sure!
     
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