Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?

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  1. tidalwave
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    Again, it's not a compromised individual case like you described, it's an institution, HSBC, giving permission to US to dig up old records. Upper management of HSBC knows the situation.
    Well, yeah, an individual is harder to track but not an institution.
    China may not have outright jurisdiction in HK but it should have eyes, ears to find out first hand what's going on and have its own secret agents to preempt such things. They should find out who's the designated point of contact inside the bank with FBI and have him assasinated , just an example.
     
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    Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig (no relation)

    Technically just five eyes, not US, but only Canada as opened fire officially.
     
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    Those employees of HSBC in HK involved in colluding with US government have basically committed Act of Treason, should be punishable by death.

    If CCP let this slip by ,or still not awared of how the situation unfolded and dont do anything, then they are just paper tiger.
     
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    As expected, the US is raising the stake in their ban-Huawei campaign, threatening ti curtail intelligence sharing with Germany if the latter allows Huawei to participate in Germany's 5G network build-out. We'll see how effective the threat will be, to Germany, as well as other countries.

     
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    "An official from the German Economic Ministry dismissed the letter from Grenell, saying that it included no new information and reiterating that there was no evidence to support US claims that Huawei posed a risk.

    The same official also raised the issue of a recent lawsuit filed by Huawei against the US government, alleging that a ban was unconstitutional for targeting the firm without evidence. In accordance with the law, the official said, any ban would require proof."

    This tells me that Germany's spine is firming up even in the face of additional U.S. pressure.
     
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    Well, the fact that the other basketball team also scores in the game doesn't exactly mean that your team is slacking off. And your knowledge (or rather lack thereof) on the intricacies of international espionage does not qualify you to determine what was a nearly unavoidable mistake and what was just slacking off.


    China has done much more than infiltrate an American bank before. China has taken entire American nuclear warhead plans and more.
    http://www.cnn.com/US/9905/25/cox.report.02/
    https://www.nytimes.com/1999/03/06/...stole-nuclear-secrets-for-bombs-us-aides.html
    https://fas.org/sgp/crs/nuke/RL30143.pdf
     
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    ROFL, remember the fiasco that NSA was tapping Merkel's phone calls? So what Germans are expecting to get from the U.S. intelligence, Merkel's private conversations? Let's not forget that Merkel is still in power. The U.S. is really getting desperate by making such laughable demand, considering how they offended the Germans in 2013.
     
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    Looking beyond the headlines and short-term scorecard in this US vs. Huawei saga, this report, written before the recent MWC, reveals some of the real thinking behind the ban-Huawei campaign. Incidentally, none of them has anything to do with Huawei spying on behalf of Chinese government. It's really about the US anxiety of falling behind in 5G technology and the rolling out of the network, as well as "pushing Huawei out of the picture." Interestingly enough, the characters behind this are Newt Gingrich, Karl Rove and other conservatives. Tells you something.

     
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    Why not both? For some of their advocates, it's a cynical business play. For some of their advocates, it's ignorance.
     
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    This is the complete opposite of free market competition they so prescribe to the rest of the developing world. What an example US is showing to the world. Free market is what they say, not what they do if the circumstances don't favor them, working actively to undermine a competitive player with dirty political hand-wringings and overt public threats to sovereign states with exaggerated baseless accusations. This protectionist, defeatist ideology would only impede progress. Only consumers will suffer from this serious blatant infringement upon fair competition.
     
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