well looks like the tide is turning on this matter especially in the past few days. I guess in the end it does not matter how you argue it here on the forum, there is only one reason why Huawei is able to hold its own against some of the worlds richest states, it is the absolute advantage in 5G tech that it enjoys. I still believe that if Huawei does engage in espionage it should absolutely be banned, but that if it does not then it should not be banned. so far it does not look like there is any evidence to support such accusation, but its not a bad thing for consumers that this happened, perhaps it would force governments to focus more on data protection.
Is the US shooting itself in the foot by banning Huawei?
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you are reading too much into this, the reason for Trump's apparent "about-face" is simple: Huawei is being screwed over by the US intelligence community, and he hates the US intelligence community.
Hendrik_2000
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So much for the poster child of American technology apple got beaten by latecomer
Huawei beats rivals in smartphone sales
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2019-02-22 14:46:36 chinadaily.com.cn Editor : Jing Yuxin
An exhibition official addresses visitors' queries on foldable phones at a high-tech fair in Shenzhen, Guangdong province. (Photo provided to China Daily)
Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei recorded strongest growth in smartphone sales among the top five global smartphone vendors - Samsung, Apple, Huawei, OPPO and Xiaomi - with a year-on-year surge of 37.6 percent to surpass 60 million units in the fourth quarter last year, consultancy Gartner said in its latest report on Thursday.
Meanwhile, the global smartphone sales growth only rose 0.1 percent from a year earlier to 408.4 million units.
Apple saw the worst quarterly decline since the first quarter of 2016. Its iPhone sold 64.5 million units in the fourth quarter of 2018, a 11.8 percent drop compared with the same period of a year earlier.
Although Samsung's smartphone sales fell 4.4 percent year-on-year in the fourth quarter, it continued to take up the largest market share of 17.3 percent in the global market, followed by Apple at 15 .8 percent and Huawei at 14.8 percent.
"Demand for entry-level and midprice smartphones remained strong across markets, but demand for high-end smartphones continued to slow in the fourth quarter of 2018," said Anshul Gupta, senior research director at Gartner.
"Slowing incremental innovation at the high end, coupled with price increases, deterred replacement decisions for high-end smartphones. This led to a flat-growth market in the fourth quarter of 2018," Gupta added.
On Thursday, Samsung released its new mobile category - consumer-ready foldable smartphone – which aims to "write the next chapter in mobile innovation history by changing what's possible in a smartphone", the company said.
At the upcoming Mobile World Congress next week, some smartphone makers, including Huawei, Motorola, OPPO, Xiaomi, Nubia, and LG, will unveil their new products possibly including the foldable smartphone.
Huawei beats rivals in smartphone sales
via cirr
2019-02-22 14:46:36 chinadaily.com.cn Editor : Jing Yuxin
An exhibition official addresses visitors' queries on foldable phones at a high-tech fair in Shenzhen, Guangdong province. (Photo provided to China Daily)
Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei recorded strongest growth in smartphone sales among the top five global smartphone vendors - Samsung, Apple, Huawei, OPPO and Xiaomi - with a year-on-year surge of 37.6 percent to surpass 60 million units in the fourth quarter last year, consultancy Gartner said in its latest report on Thursday.
Meanwhile, the global smartphone sales growth only rose 0.1 percent from a year earlier to 408.4 million units.
Apple saw the worst quarterly decline since the first quarter of 2016. Its iPhone sold 64.5 million units in the fourth quarter of 2018, a 11.8 percent drop compared with the same period of a year earlier.
Although Samsung's smartphone sales fell 4.4 percent year-on-year in the fourth quarter, it continued to take up the largest market share of 17.3 percent in the global market, followed by Apple at 15 .8 percent and Huawei at 14.8 percent.
"Demand for entry-level and midprice smartphones remained strong across markets, but demand for high-end smartphones continued to slow in the fourth quarter of 2018," said Anshul Gupta, senior research director at Gartner.
"Slowing incremental innovation at the high end, coupled with price increases, deterred replacement decisions for high-end smartphones. This led to a flat-growth market in the fourth quarter of 2018," Gupta added.
On Thursday, Samsung released its new mobile category - consumer-ready foldable smartphone – which aims to "write the next chapter in mobile innovation history by changing what's possible in a smartphone", the company said.
At the upcoming Mobile World Congress next week, some smartphone makers, including Huawei, Motorola, OPPO, Xiaomi, Nubia, and LG, will unveil their new products possibly including the foldable smartphone.
AssassinsMace
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How easily people forget Edward Snowden or is it intentional to act like he never existed thus anything he said was never said? The US spies on everyone including allies so everything charged of China is pretty hypocritical.
This is about who is making all the money not who's committing espionage. Huawei is ahead in 5G technology and is the least expensive. China will win against the competition and that's why the US has to interfere using spying charges and national security as an excuse. Because to admit the truth would be violating WTO rules. And who's the one always crying about the rule of law? People aren't going to follow those who make exceptions for themselves. Trump shows how he will go after allies to remind everyone who's boss.
If China is making all the money how will the US buy influence in the world. Yes Americans want to believe the world naturally loves the US. No it's because they have the money. That's the only reason why countries gravitate to the US is because it has the money. People want that money. If you don't believe it you just have to hear from Americans complaining about how immigrants don't assimilate. If they're not assimilating, then it has to be about the money. If the US is not on top of new technologies, they're not making the money. If the US doesn't have the money, people and countries aren't going to follow. When people don't follow and the US demands they do, the only option left to get people to obey is to use the military. Is it against international law not to obey the US? No. So guess who looks like the aggressor for the world to hate?
That's why they have to stop China from developing new technologies thus making all the money.
This is about who is making all the money not who's committing espionage. Huawei is ahead in 5G technology and is the least expensive. China will win against the competition and that's why the US has to interfere using spying charges and national security as an excuse. Because to admit the truth would be violating WTO rules. And who's the one always crying about the rule of law? People aren't going to follow those who make exceptions for themselves. Trump shows how he will go after allies to remind everyone who's boss.
If China is making all the money how will the US buy influence in the world. Yes Americans want to believe the world naturally loves the US. No it's because they have the money. That's the only reason why countries gravitate to the US is because it has the money. People want that money. If you don't believe it you just have to hear from Americans complaining about how immigrants don't assimilate. If they're not assimilating, then it has to be about the money. If the US is not on top of new technologies, they're not making the money. If the US doesn't have the money, people and countries aren't going to follow. When people don't follow and the US demands they do, the only option left to get people to obey is to use the military. Is it against international law not to obey the US? No. So guess who looks like the aggressor for the world to hate?
That's why they have to stop China from developing new technologies thus making all the money.
From what I read in this thread, the good life seems to be the privilege of the 1% ( the nonlinear). The remainder are "treated like ants". That doesn't sound like such a great place to live in. If that's really the case, you might be headed for another proletarian revolution.
Equation
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Living in ant colony formation with purpose in your own beautiful country is still better than being a minority in a country that demonizes your ethnicity even if the latter comes with more "stuff." Westerners should really stop trying to gauge the quality and satisfaction of life based only on material goods.
Revolution of Chinese people vs Chinese people is the ultimate wet dream for those who fear confrontation with a unified Chinese nation because they know that such a force can only be defeated by itself. 1989 was a big let-down for them, so was the whole Arab Spring thing that didn't infect China, but they get their little hopes up every now and then only to have them dashed every time.
Surly, it can't just all boil down to one man hating the US intelligence community to change what the US and the west be saying about huawai!
IMO, thw huawai fiasco is all about the trade war that Trump started.
But now that trade war is looking to be settled anytime soon, Trump needs to dial back the charge against huawai, particularly now all the other western nations wanting in on huawai's 5G tech.
So to say it's just that Trump hates the Intel comm it just too simple!
I really think you need to read and learn about China before coming out with your assertions!
You keep assuming I'm from the US. For the record, I live in western Europe. I can say with confidence that no Chinese, nor any other Asian is demonized here. The wages here are not as high as in the US for the top-earners. But then the minimal wages are the highest in the world. Even people with menial jobs enjoy one month of payed vacation a year. Many work part-time so that they can enjoy their life better and are willing to make do with less money at the end of the month. Materialism is definitely not the creed we live by. Instead, I would describe it as HOT (happiness, opportunity, time).
But how did we get here? Certainly not by being ants. All these privileges were hard-won and long in the making. We are not afraid to criticize (and sue if necessary) our governments for misconduct on their part. This culture traces its roots all the way back to the Age of Enlightenment, and in some areas even earlier like the 17th century England and the Low Countries. Now that's what I would call the pillar of modern western societies.
Being human, the same criteria we judge ourselves by, we also use to judge others outside. If that hurts their feelings, too bad.
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